I have an offer for used cameras. 1). Sony DSR-250 2). Sony FX1000. I would like to buy one of these to shoot wedding, church functions and stage programs. Means lot of low light situations.
Did any one have any experience with these two cameras in low light? Appreciated your feedback.
The FX1000 is an HDV high-definition camcorder. It looks great but not particularly good in low light. The DSR-250 is an older design SD camcorder but it has the same legendary optics and chips as the PD150/170 and VX2000/2100. It's low light capabilities are spectacular. The FX1000 can't touch it.
Plenty of experiece with the DSR-250 (PAL).
If you only need SD 4:3 I'd recommend it for your application in a heartbeat. You get balanced audio in on the rear of the camera. You get 12V DC in on the industry standard 4 pin XLR connector. It attaches to the tripod using the VCT-14 quick release system. This is a real shoulder mount camera. It can record 4.5 hours without changing tapes.
This is basically the PD-150 rehoused with a different tape transport, need I say more to explain it's low light performance. In auto focus and exposure anyone can use it and not get into trouble.
Be aware if you need to go mobile it uses the V-Lock batteries. These are not cheap even if you buy the IDX ones but these come with the AB power tap so running an on camera light is a piece of cake.
Thank you John and Bob. Now I have a good understanding of both these cameras. The video shooting company who is selling these cameras mentioned that they also have few other Sony HD cameras for sale.
I would like to buy HD since the technology is changing quickly. If I were to buy a HD camera, what would you recomand that in line with SD camera DSR-250?
"If I were to buy a HD camera, what would you recomand that in line with SD camera DSR-250?"
The S270 is pretty much Sony's HD version of the 250. Hope you've got deep pockets. It's a very capable camera and does add the option to change lenses. Our 270 has been out on an extended hire so I haven't had the chance to check it's low light capability.
The reality is though as you cram more pixels into the same sized sensor then low light capability declines. CMOS sensors reduce the noise in processing the signal from the detectors but the smaller photodiodes will always collect less photons, it's just a matter of physics. Digital noise reduction and all manner of fancy processing thanks to faster / cheaper silicon goes some way to address this but getting more photons in the first place always gives the best results.
The other way to approach this issue is to think about adding more light to the subject. My gut feeling is to get a HD camera with the same low light capability as the PD 150/170/250 etc you're looking at a very expensive camera with 2/3" chips and optics to match. That kind of money buys a lot of light and pays for a lot of electricity. Even replacing any incandescent light source with daylight light sources improves most cameras low light capabilities.
Sadly, because of the laws of physics mentioned, you're not going to find an HD camera as good as an equivalent level SD camera in low light.
I love my Sony PDW-F335 XDCAM HD camcorder, but in low light, my couple generations older Sony DSR-300A easily beats it by a full stop.
I remember when I was talking to JVC at the NAB show a few years back when they had just introduced their HD gear. I asked them about the lack of low light capabilities, and they told me it was a choice between higher resolution and low light capabilities, and people wanted HD, so that's where they went, at the cost of low light capabilities.
Sadly, people have gotten used to less light use at weddings, and it is hard going back.
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I've had a 250 for about six years, it is a very seviceable camera with great low light capabilities. it also shoots 16:9 cropped. The 270 is to the V7 as the 250 to the 170. For the money, you could get an EX-1 or EX-3 with much better low light capability and picture quality than the 270. Though you might have to spend some extra for SxS cards to get longer record capability.
Ralph
When it came out (earlier this year, I think), it was celebrated as the first HD camera having low-light capabilities close to those of the PD150/170.
I don't know that first-hand, though. We're still using a pair of PD170s, and haven't tried the HVR-Z5U mainly because we can't afford it yet. (Even though its price is a relatively modes $4100 or so.)