Client Wants Cineon: What Should I Deliver?

johnmeyer schrieb am 07.01.2011 um 18:40 Uhr
I'm dealing with a post production supervisor in Hollywood (I don't usually get this close to the "big time" so I'm out of my element here). He wants to receive the results of one of my film transfers and is requesting that I deliver it in the Cineon format. Obviously I cannot do this directly from Vegas.

The film I transferred is 16mm amateur color film taken in 1957. Thus, it is not the greatest film to start with and the amount of information in the shadows and highlights is pretty minimal, especially since it was taken outdoors at night in Times Square.

So, my question is this: what format should I propose as an alternative to Cineon? I really don't think Cineon is necessary for any quality reason. The total footage delivered is going to be about ten seconds, and I'm going to be paid stock footage rates, so it isn't worth jumping through many hoops.

So, what format can I produce from Vegas that would likely be accepted into the workflow of a "Hollywood" post production person?

I assume Bob (farss) will have an idea.

Thanks!

Kommentare

Massimo Rossi schrieb am 07.01.2011 um 19:03 Uhr
DPX image sequence ?

See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Picture_Exchange

"...DPX is the worldwide-chosen format for still frames storage in most Digital Intermediate post-production facilities and film labs"

and

"...The DPX file format was originally derived from Kodak Cineon open file format..."
PerroneFord schrieb am 07.01.2011 um 19:31 Uhr
DPX and Cineon are not the same, but are similar. Ask him if he can handle DPX. If not, I believe either XNView or Irfanview (both free) can do the conversion to Cineon from TIF.

[edit]

Just verified with some of my own photos. XNView does the conversion:

http://www.xnview.com/
ChristoC schrieb am 07.01.2011 um 20:52 Uhr
Or ask yourself "Why is the tail wagging the dog?" and deliver a format of your conveinence and let him pay for the conversion.....
Trust me there's plenty of Post Supervisors in Hollywood who have no idea what they are doing. A few years ago a WB supervisor asked me to deliver a 5.1 mix on 4-track tape @ 7.5 ips......
jpenn schrieb am 07.01.2011 um 21:22 Uhr
A few years ago a WB supervisor asked me to deliver a 5.1 mix on 4-track tape @ 7.5 ips......


That's ridiculous. Everyone knows that 15 ips produces a much superior quality of audio reproduction. lol. :o)
farss schrieb am 07.01.2011 um 21:43 Uhr
In this case the guy does know what he's talking about or at the very least he's repeating the right thing.

After a lot of Googling and reading it now all falls into place.
Cineon was a standard developed by Kodak for film scanning. It set black at 19 and white at 635, lots of headroom for superwhites. Kodak no longer support it because it can be handled in the SMPTE standard DPX format. DPX stores a LOT of metadata in every frame, up to a megabyte of it. So within a DPX file you can specify the same black and white points, gain, gamma etc as the Cineon spec. I have a horrible feeling Vegas fails to read this which explains why I've found it to give variable results reading DPX.

You'd probably be just fine exporting a DPX image sequence out of Vegas. Possibly Vegas just sets the metadata for 'video' and the reader at the other end will get it correct.

Some quite indepth info can be found here. This is not a Kodak site so be prepared to do some digging but there is a lot of information to be found.

Bob.
winrockpost schrieb am 07.01.2011 um 22:01 Uhr
I would say he is wanting you to scan the film, not covert what you have already converted to cineon
johnmeyer schrieb am 08.01.2011 um 00:41 Uhr
mazreds: DPX image sequence Thanks for all the input. I think I'll combine all your suggestions and try to get him to accept a DV AVI file, timed for 16 or 18 fps. If he doesn't go for that, I'll offer the DPX. If he insists on Cineon, I'll use XNView.

Thanks!
Anthony J C schrieb am 08.01.2011 um 08:17 Uhr
"Why is the tail wagging the dog" - Probably because he is the client and paying the bill, "and to deliver a format of your convenience and let him pay for the conversion", is sheer arrogance and no way to get repeat business or recommendations. The customer is not always right, BUT he is the customer and can possibly be guided a different way. Just my two cents worth....

Anthony
PerroneFord schrieb am 08.01.2011 um 08:18 Uhr
Spoken like a pro. Nice to see you around.
Anthony J C schrieb am 08.01.2011 um 08:48 Uhr
As Johnmeyer says, he doesn't usually get this close to the "big time", well with the good advice given on this forum this could lead to getting even closer. Do a good job on this one, even if it is PITA and a loss leader, who knows what is next. Good luck to him,

Anthony