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ScheffFrog schrieb am 07.12.2010 um 14:52 Uhr
Just purchased a blu-ray burner and disks for storing Data Files as my over 12 teribytes of external hard drives are just maxed out. Because I have so many repeat clients, many who come back to work on previous materials, it was the only solution I felt safe with at the moment. As a rule of thumb, stored in a cool dry place should allow for the blu-ray disk to last a life time. Or until something better comes along. Although double sided will give you 50 Gigs, you would not be able to label the disk. I use the single sided and label the disk with a Client Data base number that I keep record of all that is contained on each disk in a program called GenibusCD. It is a great database software for just this sort of thing and has a wonderful search engine that does not require the disk to be in the player.

I can honestly say, I have peace of mind that my many files will be kept safe and secure in this format.

Hope this info helps.

Frogger777
PerroneFord schrieb am 07.12.2010 um 15:31 Uhr
1. Excellent luck.

2. No idea. I am rotating mine every 3 years to be on the safe side.

3. No. 25GB on a single LAYER, 50GB on a dual Layer. No disk flipping.

4. No idea. I've used Sony, TDK, Verbatim, and Memorex. All have worked equally well. No coasters in 2.5 years.
ChristoC schrieb am 07.12.2010 um 21:38 Uhr
My supplier of CD-R and DVDs http://www.prodisc.com.au/ quotes expected Lifetimes for most of his products, dependent on storage & handling conditions, and sells product specifically aimed at archiving. The guys there have researched the longivity of optical media very carefully.

My experience since the inception of CD-R is that "oils ain't oils" and many generic brand CDs I burnt in those early days have failed the test of time, until I started paying for premium disks..... since then, not one bad burn or subsequent problem.

I notice prodisc do not quote any lifetime for Blu-Ray or HD media yet. That speaks volumes to me.

Personally I trust Hard Drive more than Optical media. I backup to both, just to be sure, to be sure!
PerroneFord schrieb am 07.12.2010 um 21:55 Uhr
I've now got BluRay burned in 2007. It's fine. I checked it 2 months ago. All of it will roll to new disks Q1 2011. My first order of 3 50GB were $49.99 each. My first order of 25GB disks were 29.99 each. Today, I am paying about $1.30 for 25GB BluRay.

farss schrieb am 07.12.2010 um 22:04 Uhr
Christo,
I used to buy archival grade MAM disks from the same supplier. I've since found I can buy the same disks cheaper at PCX.
http://pcx.com.au/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductId=2050

Bob.
ChristoC schrieb am 07.12.2010 um 22:40 Uhr
Thanks Bob!
John_Cline schrieb am 07.12.2010 um 23:05 Uhr
One thing to consider about backing up to Blu-ray is that it is slow to burn and restoring a project to hard drive takes a long time, too. I only burn stuff to optical media if I'm pretty certain that I will never revisit the project. Otherwise, if I archive it to a hard drive, I can pop the hard drive in an eSATA dock and edit/modify the project immediately.

Also, for what it's worth, the program mentioned earlier is "GentibusCD" not "GenibusCD." It's available here:

http://www.gentibus.com/index.html

It's free and looks similar to the shareware program that I use, "WhereIsIt."

http://www.whereisit-soft.com
PeterDuke schrieb am 07.12.2010 um 23:23 Uhr
Thanks Bob

Pity they don't use PayPal
PerroneFord schrieb am 07.12.2010 um 23:24 Uhr
Well, 50GB takes an hour. That's about 3-4 times faster than laying off to tape for me. And a whole lot better quality. Certainly not as fast as hard drives, but fast enough for my purposes.

I archive things I don't think I'll have to touch again. I leave ISO files on the drives just in case I need to run more copies, but I wouldn't archive anything that might still need tweaking. Most of my corporate work is done for a specific event. After the event, the work is really no longer needed other than for historical purposes.

I bought enough disk capacity to sit on projects for about a year if I need to before archiving, but it's rare I'll need to leave projects open that long.
mekelly schrieb am 08.12.2010 um 12:55 Uhr
Thanks for the tip on Gentibus CD. Playing with it now, but looks pretty cool.
hazydave schrieb am 10.12.2010 um 19:43 Uhr
Yeah, I've been using BDs for video and backup since early 2008... basically, I bought my BD-R writer within a month of it being clear that Blu-Ray had won the format wars. The claim is that, due to the data redundancy, Blu-Ray is more reliable in the long term than CD or DVD, but obviously, the physical aspects have to enter in here, too.

I believe in redundancy for backup/archive. I have been dumping photos off to DVD, now BD, every so often. When I do the backup, I include all of my recent stuff, so every photo will be on at least 2-3 discs. And they normally live on a fully redundant RAID (I can hot swap one failed drive with no data loss).

Shelf Life? The easy answer: longer than Blu-Ray has existed. But this was also true of CD and DVD, and yet, you can find some discs don't last long at all. The big enemy of traditional optical discs is light... I keep my backups in a zip-up notebook with CD/DVD/BD acid-free disc holder pages, in a cool place with moderate humidity. I have one CD from 1991 that still reads (useless... it was for a Commodore CDTV, back when CD blanks cost $50). No reason to expect BD to be any worse. But don't bet on any single disc.

And BD has an advantage here, at least some do... the original BD-R discs use a non-organic optical dye, made of silicon and copper, rather than the synthetic organic dyes used in DVD and CD. The claim is they're not affected by light or other aging processes.

Size: 25GB for a BD25, single-layer BD-R, and 50GB for a BD50, dual layer BD-R. I haven't seen any dual-sided. That was a thing for DVD (DVD10, DVD18). A dual sided BD could hold 100GB, it they made one. Never seen it.. but anyway, the standard 50GB Blu-Ray Recordable is dual layer, not dual sided.

Not sure about best brand. For backup, this isn't a huge issue... you make new backups every week or few... right? For archival, I like redundancy.
PeterDuke schrieb am 10.12.2010 um 23:18 Uhr
" I keep my backups in a zip-up notebook with CD/DVD/BD acid-free disc holder pages, in a cool place with moderate humidity."

The advice I try to follow is to not store optical discs in sleeves but in cases which only touch the disc at the hole. The holder should be somewhat loose (disc rotates freely on the holder, without falling off). The cases should then be stored vertically, and of course in a cool dark low humidity environment.

Sliding optical discs in and out of paper sleeves can cause slight scratching so is not ideal. Some years ago I bought some TDK CDs in a clear plastic flip-top box with the CDs stored in sleeves. The label side was clear and the business side looked something like fibre glass fabric (but probably wasn't). Years later I took the CDs out to see how they had suffered (tested with KProbe2) and noticed that the fabric pattern had been transferred to the discs. Yes, some CDs didn't test too well.