Blu-ray general questions

OhMyGosh wrote on 5/18/2019, 9:41 AM

     Trying to do my first Blu-ray project, but having some trouble understanding the basics. Googled and Youtubed a ton of stuff, but it's been confusing, difficult to understand, and sometimes contradictory. I was always led to believe that BD was full on progressive HD, like 1920x1080p 60fps. So why are most BD render settings interlaced? As a side note, my video is 59.094fps. That's the same as 60 when looking at templates? And sometimes when there are fields to fill in should I put in 60 or the 59.094? Someone gave me a link to a good tutorial on Handbrake I appreciated very much, if there is another reference that you know of that you would like to direct me to, that would be fine. If you were wanting to burn a BD with the best quality using my media, which rendering template would you use? Thanks for your patience. Cin

Blu-ray or Blu-ray Disc (BD) is a digital optical disc data storage format. It was designed to supersede the DVD format, and is capable of storing several hours of video in high-definition (HDTV 720p and 1080p)
General Complete name                            : C:\Users\Cindy\Desktop\20180905_162654.mp4 Format                                   : MPEG-4 Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2 Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42) File size                                : 19.0 MiB Duration                                 : 5 s 739 ms Overall bit rate                         : 27.8 Mb/s Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-09-05 23:27:02 Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-09-05 23:27:02 xyz                                      : +00.0000+000.0000/ com.android.version                      : 8.1.0

Video ID                                       : 1 Format                                   : AVC Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec Format profile                           : High@L4.2 Format settings                          : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes Format settings, Reference frames        : 1 frame Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=60 Codec ID                                 : avc1 Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding Duration                                 : 5 s 588 ms Bit rate                                 : 28.3 Mb/s Width                                    : 1 920 pixels Height                                   : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9 Frame rate mode                          : Variable Frame rate                               : 59.051 FPS Minimum frame rate                       : 52.204 FPS Maximum frame rate                       : 59.094 FPS Standard                                 : NTSC Color space                              : YUV Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 Bit depth                                : 8 bits Scan type                                : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.231 Stream size                              : 18.9 MiB (99%) Title                                    : VideoHandle Language                                 : English Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-09-05 23:27:02 Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-09-05 23:27:02 Color range                              : Limited Color primaries                          : BT.709 Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709 Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709 mdhd_Duration                            : 5588 Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio ID                                       : 2 Format                                   : AAC LC Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2 Duration                                 : 5 s 739 ms Bit rate mode                            : Constant Bit rate                                 : 256 kb/s Channel(s)                               : 2 channels Channel layout                           : L R Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF) Compression mode                         : Lossy Stream size                              : 179 KiB (1%) Title                                    : SoundHandle Language                                 : English Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-09-05 23:27:02 Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-09-05 23:27:02

 

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j-v wrote on 5/18/2019, 10:28 AM

Bluray has its own rules and settings and standards.

Only Interlaced and 1 possibility for progressive video i.c. 24p.

Not higher
There are some tricks to make a workaround for higher progressive framerates, but I think that would be much to difficult for you

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Chief24 wrote on 5/18/2019, 10:50 AM

Try this link to the MovieStudioZen website, curator Derek Moran (Dr. Zen). Watch the tutorials, once/twice/thrice/etc., before trying out. I use his site constantly, and quite frequently for refreshing myself on how to do things (always having to go back there to remember how to do lower thirds animation correct - Thanks Doc!)

If you prefer not the Doc's style, here's another site by Steve Grisetti, MuviPix.com.

There's additional links in the forum title page links above as well (both aforementioned members tutorials are linked there as well)

Both links take you to the "tutorials" for DVD Architect, and also have associated links for getting the proper settings from Vegas Pro and/or Movie Studio, depending on your current software. DVD Architect really hasn't changed much over the years, and the basics fro creating and authoring a DVD and/or Blu-Ray disc are still the same, as the specifications determined by the "Industries" has not changed.

Again, watch the tutorials as many times as you need. Don't be afraid to make mistakes, just try to learn. So, a little advice...buy a stack of low-cost DVD and/or Blu-ray discs from your store, to use while making those mistakes until you are more confident. Also, when you do go to "Burn the Disc", do not use the highest setting/speed available for either your burner or the disc(s). Sort of like, if you have a Blu-ray burner that can burn at 16X speed, and you have discs that say burn at 8x or higher, set your "Burning Speed" to 4X or 6X (all are different from the manufacturers). It may take longer but helps to ensure an accurate "Burn".

The first site is also where you can find the tutorial about using Handbrake.

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3POINT wrote on 5/18/2019, 10:50 AM

For your Media 1080p60, the closest standardized rendertemplate is 1080i60 for Blu-ray. Forget about Handbrake for making Blu-ray.

But, I also say, forget about making DVD, even Blu-ray. These Media carriers are out of time!

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diverG wrote on 5/18/2019, 11:13 AM

1280x720 P is also an option for both NTSC & PAL.  I doubt you would see any difference between 1080i and 720p apart from smaller file sizes for 720 files.  Stick with mpeg /ac3 files, they go straight into DVDA.

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OhMyGosh wrote on 5/18/2019, 7:04 PM

Thanks everyone.

Thanks Chief24 for the links, they look like just what I need. Maybe turn me on to some other sites where I can go bother their members!  ;)

But, I also say, forget about making DVD, even Blu-ray. These Media carriers are out of time!

I don't understand 3POINT, what else is there??

Thanks again, Cin

 

fr0sty wrote on 5/18/2019, 7:28 PM

Blu-Ray supports: 480i/59.94 480p/30 720p/59.94 1080i/59.94 1080p/23.97

Those are the formats you can rely on playing on any BD player regardless of age. The decimal point resolutions are unnecessary, most modern displays can do 24 or 60p natively, but the old CRT based TVs cannot (They add the few milliseconds of delay because black and white TVs were locked to 60hz, and when color TVs launched, they needed some time for the color sub carrier signal, so they chopped a few milliseconds off the last frame to leave room, as they had to stay within the 60hz that our power system uses. Completely unnecessary with digital video, but it is kept around for backwards compatibility.), and many older LCD TVs won't take in the signal even though on a hardware level they are capable of displaying it.

OhMyGosh wrote on 5/18/2019, 11:12 PM

Thank you Fr0sty for the detailed and informative explanation. Could you visually see a quality difference between 1080i/60 and 1080p/24 after rendering? I think there would be a difference if there were a lot of motion? The 1080p wouldn't be as likely to have combing and other junk? Thanks. Cin

fr0sty wrote on 5/19/2019, 1:56 AM

Yes, you always want to go progressive scan as often as possible, however there is one exception to this rule... If you are shooting VERY fast motion, like sports, it may be preferable to have combing at 1080i than have judder from the slow frame rate of 24p... The best bet on Blu-Ray for fast motion is 720p60. Technically, you get more pixels per frame at 720p than you do 1080i, as at 60fps, 1080i is only 540 horizontal lines per frame, with every other row of pixels blank. At 720p 60fps, you get 720 lines. Unfortunately, they didn't make 1080p60 part of the blu-ray spec at launch, so you can't count on every player being able to play it.

3POINT wrote on 5/19/2019, 2:07 AM

 

But, I also say, forget about making DVD, even Blu-ray. These Media carriers are out of time!

I don't understand 3POINT, what else is there??

 

TVsets today have besides HDMI inputs, for connecting external players (like Blu-ray) also USB inputs for their internal players Through these USB inputs (USB stick or external HD) you can play almost every content, also your 1080p60 smartphone recordings. So you can directly put your render to an USB stick and no need to burn a fragile Blu-ray disc with limited standards.

On my UHDTV I can even play 2160p60 through this USB input.

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bitman wrote on 5/19/2019, 3:26 AM

@3POINT most USB sticks are still formatted in FAT32, the most compatible format for USB's on TV's, but it has a 4GB single file limit. You can e.g. format your USB stick to NTFS, but that can give compatibility issues...

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j-v wrote on 5/19/2019, 3:32 AM

@3POINT most USB sticks are still formatted in FAT32, the most compatible format for USB's on TV's, but it has a 4GB single file limit. You can e.g. format your USB stick to NTFS, but that can give compatibility issues...

I never have seen that.
The 3 sticks I use to controle first my made videos are all NTFS formatted and play all my files from AVC to HEVC 4K without any problem on the TV from signature.

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3POINT wrote on 5/19/2019, 3:54 AM

@3POINT most USB sticks are still formatted in FAT32, the most compatible format for USB's on TV's, but it has a 4GB single file limit. You can e.g. format your USB stick to NTFS, but that can give compatibility issues...

I use USB sticks for quick view tests of my renderings, they are indeed NTFS formatted and never gave any compatibility problems. For final projects, I use a 2,5 inch Harddrive, also NTFS formatted, which is taped on the back of my TVset.

My UHDTV plays AVCHD, XAVC, XDCAM, AVC, HEVC etc with all compatible resolutions, framerates, bitrates and fieldorders. No restrictions by any ancient standards or need to make extra conversions.

I burned my last DVD about 10 years ago and I never burned or will burn a Blu-ray.

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bitman wrote on 5/19/2019, 6:12 AM

Good thing Vegas is only for windows, write to an NTFS filesystem does not work from Apple or MAC 😉

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OhMyGosh wrote on 5/19/2019, 9:40 AM

The collective knowledge here is amazing!!!  :0 Obviously I never knew or would have thought of that, but what a great idea! Thank God Amazon is good about returns, I just ordered a Blu-ray player and discs yesterday! I can't wait to try the flash drive. Thank you again so much. Cin 

james-ollick wrote on 5/19/2019, 11:25 AM

If anyone needs to purchase a Blu-Ray burner, I recommend the ASUS BW-16D1HT Internal SATA 16X Blu-ray Disc Rewriter, I have had it a little over 2 years, needed it for clients requesting that type. It has and continues to do a great job of reliable Blu-Ray disc burning.

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bitman wrote on 5/19/2019, 11:53 AM

@james-ollick funny you mentioned the ASUS BW-16D1HT Internal SATA 16X Blu-ray Disc, I have exactly the same device in my current rig which I have build one and halve year ago. I still have to buy my first empty blue ray disc however, say no more. By the way I never bothered to list it in my signature...

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fr0sty wrote on 5/19/2019, 10:32 PM

Formatting the USB to ExFAT may be the solution if NTFS isn't compatible with a device.