Colour grading panel really slow to close

gabgilson wrote on 10/24/2024, 10:55 AM

Hi. On V22.122 whenever I close the colour grading panel, it takes about 90s for my EDL to become useable again. Opening the panel is more or less instant, I can click to open grading and start making changes straight away. But closing it there's always this really long freeze. I know it doesn't sound like much, but it's long enough that it puts me off opening the grading panel for quick fixes. Almost long enough for a cup of tea, but I can't drink that many cups in a day!

I'm mostly using 10bit HEVC 60fps Sony a7siii clips, which I know are hard to deal with, but it happens with long or short edits, with or without proxies.

Just wondering if anyone else gets the same problem, and if there's maybe a simple work around? The delay is very like what happens when you have 'close files when switching applications' left on in the options, and when you alt-tab to another programme and then back to vegas, there's a really long delay while it reads in all the files again (I guess). So maybe it's doing something similar when you close the grading panel, but I'm puzzled why it would need to.

Other than this glitch, V22 is lovely and stable on my setup, very rare to get crashes.

Windows 11. RTX6070xt. x5900 CPU 64gb RAM. V22 build 122.

Thanks for any insight.

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andyrpsmith wrote on 10/24/2024, 11:18 AM

Mine closes straight away but I am using Sony XAVCS 4K MP4 not HEVC. I assume you have close media files when not active unchecked.

(Intel 3rd gen i5@4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, 1080Ti GPU, Windows 10) Not now used with Vegas.

13th gen i913900K - water cooled, 96GB RAM, 4TB M2 drive, 4TB games SSD, 2TB video SSD, GPU RTX 4080 Super, Windows 11 pro

gabgilson wrote on 1/21/2025, 9:49 AM

In case anyone stumbles across this in the future with the same problem, I've managed to solve it by... clearing the cache! (ctrl-shift double click on desktop shortcut). Interestingly, it came back when I tried switching to legacy AVC for a test. The problem endured when I switched legacy AVC off, and then cleared when I cleared the cache again.

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 1/21/2025, 9:55 AM

@gabgilson Try the new (build 237) to see if this is corrected on your system without the need for this work-around.

gabgilson wrote on 1/21/2025, 10:06 AM

Just tried in build 237 and it's opening and closing colour grading panel super fast, so all seems good. The workaround above was only needed once, i.e. once I'd cleared the cache after the legacy avc change, it stayed working fine.

gabgilson wrote on 1/21/2025, 3:14 PM

Having got used to a working system, it's easier to notice when something throws it off balance. I now find that adding the audio plugin 'dxrevive' to an audio track fx chain has a direct impact on the speed of opening and closing the grading panel - it's near instant without the plugin, with it in place, it takes about 5 s to open or close. This happens regardless of whether the plugin is bypassed or active. Vegas returns to normal if I delete the plugin from the chain. I can work around by only adding dxrevive for a final render (and deleting if more editing is needed) but I'm mighty puzzled why it should have this impact. I can't see any change in PC resources - memory, vram etc - when I enable the plugin.

RogerS wrote on 1/21/2025, 6:40 PM

This plugin says it's AI- maybe it is resource intensive? It's possible nobody has tested it with VEGAS before.
https://www.accentize.com/dxrevive/

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 1/21/2025, 7:53 PM

Tested it some months ago, not impressed with its overall result, plus its too resource intense for what it does. The current best solutions that master this feature that does not eats up system resources and works flawlessly within Vegas are Boris Crumple Pop and Acon Digital Extract Dialogue.

Former user wrote on 1/22/2025, 1:28 AM

I now find that adding the audio plugin 'dxrevive' to an audio track fx chain has a direct impact on the speed of opening and closing the grading panel - it's near instant without the plugin, with it in place, it takes about 5 s to open or close. This happens regardless of whether the plugin is bypassed or active.

I have same CPU, and if it does use GPU it uses very little, 100w GPU with plugin, 100w without. I don't see the delay, there's a pause of scopes/metering when I display the plugin again after returning to CGP but that's normal. 32bit 4K media Best/Half

 

gabgilson wrote on 1/22/2025, 1:30 AM

Thanks for thoughts and info. Just tried the free trial of Acon, I'd say I prefer the results with dxrevive (less phasing in the highs) but that's personal taste - the main observation is that Acon triggers the same problem with slower opening and closing of the colour grading panel and slower selection of events for grading via the timeline. Dxrevive is worse, but Acon triggers the same thing. As above, it only disappears when I delete the plugin from the audio chain, it's still there if I bypass. Begins to sound like it might be something specific to my setup. I wonder if audio drivers could have an impact? Happy to post any assets to check with the clips I'm editing, but I understand this is probably a niche issue!

RogerS wrote on 1/22/2025, 2:54 AM

In VEGAS preferences, what audio device is in use (and does switching it help? Say Microsoft to ASIO)?

gabgilson wrote on 1/22/2025, 8:05 AM

Thanks - have tried the various options in audio devices and sadly no change. I'm falling towards a mother board/CPU upgrade in the next few weeks, so I'll see if that sheds any new light - will keep thinking of other things to try in the meantime.

gabgilson wrote on 2/3/2025, 5:51 AM

OK, hardware upgrade succesfully completed. I've tried out this phenomena with AMD7950x+7900xtx and laptop i13 + 4070 and it does the same thing on both. With dxrevivepro or the Acon plugin enabled, there's a small delay for opening the colour grading panel and in moving between events to tweak their grading. It's much less of a delay on the newer hardware, but is still there on both AMD and Intel/Nvidia set ups. If I bypass the plugin it still happens. It goes away completely if I remove the plugin from the fx chain. Then it's back to instant jumping between events to grade. So it's reduced to a curiosity rather than an issue for me, but thought I'd post the info for completeness.

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Desktop PC:

Windows 11 64 bit. Vegas 22 pro.
Ryzen 7950x CPU
AMD 7900xtx GPU
1tb m2 ssd
96gb DDR5 RAM

Laptop system:

Windows 11. Vegas 22
Intel i9-13980
Nvidia 4070 GPU
32gb RAM

Reyfox wrote on 2/3/2025, 8:15 AM

@gabgilson what is this "delay"? Can you make a short video to demonstrate it? It takes less than a second on my computer to get to the CGP via keyboard shortcut. To remove the panel, about a second. Your issue seems to be the plugins you are using as you stated. Once they are removed, the CGP works ok.

I'll have video fx and have no issues with BorisFX and NBFX. But then I don't use any audio plugins.

Newbie😁

Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: Pro 23.Q3

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

J-Toresen wrote on 2/3/2025, 8:18 AM

There may be a problem with the VST/VST3 implementation in Vegas. If so, an audio engineer should investigate this issue. Perhaps one of the moderators can contact the right person.

JøranToresen

RogerS wrote on 2/3/2025, 8:44 AM

It's not really a mod issue (mods mainly help manage this forum).

Beta testers who have the same audio Fx need to replicate and report the issue.

J-Toresen wrote on 2/3/2025, 11:37 AM

ok @RogerS

Jøran