Graphics Card Recommendation for VP15

GeoffreyDean33 wrote on 5/28/2019, 8:14 AM

Current system

  • Windows 10 64 bit
  • CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.4GHz 4 cores, 2 threads
  • ASUStek P8Z77-V LX mother board
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2 GB RAM
  • System Memory 4x8GB Corsiar Vengeance DDR3 1600 C10 32 GB RAM

Are AMD video cards still considered more stable with Vegas 15? What ~$500 (or less) models are recommended? I'm leaning towards an AMD RX580 and would appreciate any advice.

Thanks!

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j-v wrote on 5/28/2019, 8:28 AM

With Vegas no videocard is needed, when your processor follows the demands for Vegas 15 it is enough. If you want more ,f.i. faster working with OFX plugins, using another monitor and faster renderpossibilities you can choose between the ones recommended in Specifications for this program

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TheRhino wrote on 5/28/2019, 11:00 AM

I found a refurbished liquid-cooled AMD VEGA 64 at NewEgg for $350 USD. New, fan-cooled Vega 64 often go on sale for <$400. It out-performs a $130 AMD RX 570 enough to justify the price difference. In comparison, the $700 Radeon VII is NOT worth the price-difference (unless the next release of Vegas better-utilizes it...)

If you connect a monitor to your onboard Intel & another to the AMD, Vegas utilizes BOTH the AMD & onboard Intel when rendering codecs with a QSV option. For instance, selecting HEVC QSV my 5.0 ghz 9900K utilizing both GPUs completes the Red Car test in 14s average. However, if I select VCE (AMD only) I get 33s and CPU only, around 50s... Without QSV, my old 4.0 ghz 6-core Xeon & RX 570 complete the Red Car test in 1:47 when selecting VCE and 2:40 with CPU. Not all FX & render codecs benefit from both QSV & VCE.

For BOTH the onboard Intel & AMD to play nice together, I had to use Intel GPU driver 25.20.100.6373. After 6373 Intel changed the drivers to DCH which requires an updated from Magix/Vegas to work correctly. Currently the May 22, 2019 AMD driver is working well. You must prevent Windows from automatically updating drivers or it will eventually install a newer Intel driver that will not provide the same performance...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

GeoffreyDean33 wrote on 5/28/2019, 3:41 PM

I found a refurbished liquid-cooled AMD VEGA 64 at NewEgg for $350 USD. New, fan-cooled Vega 64 often go on sale for <$400. It out-performs a $130 AMD RX 570 enough to justify the price difference. In comparison, the $700 Radeon VII is NOT worth the price-difference (unless the next release of Vegas better-utilizes it...)

If you connect a monitor to your onboard Intel & another to the AMD, Vegas utilizes BOTH the AMD & onboard Intel when rendering codecs with a QSV option. For instance, selecting HEVC QSV my 5.0 ghz 9900K utilizing both GPUs completes the Red Car test in 14s average. However, if I select VCE (AMD only) I get 33s and CPU only, around 50s... Without QSV, my old 4.0 ghz 6-core Xeon & RX 570 complete the Red Car test in 1:47 when selecting VCE and 2:40 with CPU. Not all FX & render codecs benefit from both QSV & VCE.

For BOTH the onboard Intel & AMD to play nice together, I had to use Intel GPU driver 25.20.100.6373. After 6373 Intel changed the drivers to DCH which requires an updated from Magix/Vegas to work correctly. Currently the May 22, 2019 AMD driver is working well. You must prevent Windows from automatically updating drivers or it will eventually install a newer Intel driver that will not provide the same performance...

Thanks. Boy this stuff isn't for the faint of heart.

I've been screwing around for over a week trying to get a simple stage production job rendered for DVD and BluRay. I've tried everything under the sun and so I just ran to BestBuy and got a AMD RX580. Did a complete removal or NVIDIA drivers and installed the new graphics card and for the first time in quite a while, Vegas is chugging away with an MPEG BluRay render. Fingers crossed but I think I found the answer. If Fry's Electronics or BestBuy would have had the Vega 64, I would have picked it up but I needed to know today if this job is going to get done.

Thanks.

TheRhino wrote on 5/28/2019, 7:37 PM

BB takes returns within 15 days... Get this job done & then you can decided if you want to throw more money at a faster GPU... The 4-core Intel Core i7-3770 is putting a bigger limitation on your render speeds than the GPU so you may not see the difference between one GPU and another when other components are creating a bottleneck... Also, you need a decent power supply to handle the VEGA 64...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

john_dennis wrote on 5/28/2019, 10:31 PM

You’re about 6 years behind the state of the art with the 3770. I’m about 3 years behind with the 6850 in my signature. Still, on May 15 and 16, I shot a 90 minute play on each night, shot a swim meet on Friday, Saturday and Sunday and still was able to deliver two 90 minute Blu-rays, two DVDs and both programs on flash drives on the following Wednesday.

It’s time for a forklift upgrade. I’m using my old 3770 as a media server.

GeoffreyDean33 wrote on 5/29/2019, 5:02 AM

@TheRhino, I'll consider your idea about exchanging/returning the card but I can't tell you how pleased I am to have a stable machine. I'll take slow and stable at the moment : ) but I'm sure I'll get over that. I'll also look into upgrading the CPU. If I get the latest and greatest @john_dennis, will this introduce another round of compatibility issues with Vegas?

Looks like I'd need to replace my "Intel 7 Series/C216 Chipset motherboard too, yes?

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/66416/intel-c216-chipset.html

 

TheRhino wrote on 5/29/2019, 6:23 AM

@GeoffreyDean33 I think your current CPU may be about the fastest your motherboard accepts... Typically if your system is older than 3-4 years you have to install an entirely new/matching CPU/motherboard/RAM combo... I recently upgraded 1 of 3 of my 2009-2011 era 6-core Xeon/I7 980X workstations which were fine for 1080p work but not handling the transition to 4K: $500 9900K, refurbished $200 Asus Z390 WS motherboard, $160 32GB DDR4 3000, $140 H150i liquid CPU cooler & $350 refurbished Vega 64 liquid-cooled... I already had a 1000W power supply, tower ATX case, and a variety of M.2, SSD & SATA hard drives... Overclocked to 5.0ghz, this setup has been 100% stable & I've been using it to complete paid work for the past month...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 5/31/2019, 5:42 PM

I only this week pulled my 8gb rx580 and it's been good to me... 1st got it for use with an i7 x980 and it made a huge difference in Vegas over an HD6670 fanless card I used before getting it. I noticed over the years with it in various systems that the biggest performance jump happened when I moved it into my 1st pcie gen3 motherboard which was an asus... suggest you try select that in your board's latest bios for the x16 slot rather than leaving it on auto.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/2/2019, 9:26 AM

I would go for a GeForce 9xx series or higher with 4 GB of video RAM as a minimum. Or for AMD for a Radeon with 4 GB minimum and VCE 3.0 or higher. Or even for a Radeon Pro series with 8 GB for HDR and 32 bit Projekts.

By the way, a long time ago Vegas did not support GPUs. That has gone really.