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fr0sty wrote on 6/26/2020, 7:23 PM

HEVC requires a lot of power to decode, so if you have a slower computer, you won't be able to do it without making a proxy file.

VEGAS 17 does support hardware decoding of HEVC files on GPUs that support it, so if you can give us your hardware specs, that will let us know whether or not your system will be able to decode HEVC smoothly or not. Also give us the project settings.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Radeon VII

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Paolo-Bruno wrote on 6/27/2020, 4:19 AM

HEVC requires a lot of power to decode, so if you have a slower computer, you won't be able to do it without making a proxy file.

VEGAS 17 does support hardware decoding of HEVC files on GPUs that support it, so if you can give us your hardware specs, that will let us know whether or not your system will be able to decode HEVC smoothly or not. Also give us the project seThank you


Thank you for your answer fr0sty. Here you can see the hardware specs. of my computer. It`s a very expensive PC, just bought specially for video editing. The video card is Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super.



 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 6/27/2020, 10:15 AM

That's a powerhouse system. You might want to give a little more info on the source and format of the hvec you're trying to work with. If it's a supported format, the problem is likely with the video drivers and/or the Vegas video config.

Cameras: Z-Cam E2 classic, Canon XF305, JVC GV-LS2, Canon 6D w/L-glass line.
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Workstation3: i7-980X 24gb (Sapphire Nitro+ Vega64 8gb graphics)
currently Vegas 17.452 (testing Vegas 18.284)

j-v wrote on 6/27/2020, 11:19 AM

We need some other info about the way you work and the decoding option you use.
Which buildnumber of the program ?
Can you show a screenpicture of your project properties and the interface when using those hevc files?
And what is the specific driverversion for the Nvidia GPU and what is your setting at Options/Preferences/File I/O

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Paolo-Bruno wrote on 6/27/2020, 1:11 PM

We need some other info about the way you work and the decoding option you use.
Which buildnumber of the program ?
Can you show a screenpicture of your project properties and the interface when using those hevc files?
And what is the specific driverversion for the Nvidia GPU and what is your setting at Options/Preferences/File I/O

Hi!.
The answers of your questions are in the following attachements.

and:
[Display]
Operating System:    Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit
DirectX version:    12.0 
GPU processor:        GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER
Driver version:        446.14
Driver Type:        DCH
Direct3D API version:    12
Direct3D feature level:    12_1
CUDA Cores:        3072 
Core clock:        1815 MHz 
Memory data rate:    15.50 Gbps
Memory interface:    256-bit 
Memory bandwidth:    496.06 GB/s
Total available graphics memory:    40917 MB
Dedicated video memory:    8192 MB GDDR6
System video memory:    0 MB
Shared system memory:    32725 MB
Video BIOS version:    90.04.7A.80.69
IRQ:            Not used
Bus:            PCI Express x16 Gen3
Part Number:        G180 0042

 

Paolo-Bruno wrote on 6/27/2020, 1:13 PM

That's a powerhouse system. You might want to give a little more info on the source and format of the hvec you're trying to work with. If it's a supported format, the problem is likely with the video drivers and/or the Vegas video config.

Here are more info about the file:
 

General
Format                      : MPEG-4
Format profile              : Base Media
Codec ID                    : isom (isom/iso2/mp41)
File size                   : 655 MiB
Duration                    : 55 s 22 ms
Overall bit rate            : 99.9 Mb/s
Encoded date                : UTC 2020-06-01 08:32:48
Tagged date                 : UTC 2020-06-01 08:32:48
Writing application         : Lavf56.15.102

Video
ID                          : 1
Format                      : HEVC
Format/Info                 : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile              : Main 10@L5@Main
Codec ID                    : hvc1
Codec ID/Info               : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                    : 55 s 22 ms
Bit rate                    : 99.9 Mb/s
Width                       : 3 840 pixels
Height                      : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio        : 16:9
Frame rate mode             : Constant
Frame rate                  : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                 : YUV
Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
Bit depth                   : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.402
Stream size                 : 655 MiB (100%)
Encoded date                : UTC 2020-06-01 08:32:48
Tagged date                 : UTC 2020-06-01 08:32:48
Color range                 : Limited
Color primaries             : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics    : HLG
Matrix coefficients         : BT.2020 non-constant
Codec configuration box     : hvcC
 

j-v wrote on 6/27/2020, 1:54 PM

@Paolo-Bruno
1. Set your I/O setting to

2. Set the preview to Preview/Auto

3. Download this Studio driver for your Nvidia card

4. If you are going to use hardware accelerated effects use this setting in Options/Preferences/Video

If your preview is still laggy use proxyfiles and the needed previewsetting for that option. (See the manual)

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
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Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, CPU i7 7700HQ, 8 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 17,18 and VMS PL 16,17 are installed, all latest builds
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 456.38 Studio Driver.
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TheRhino wrote on 6/27/2020, 10:00 PM

On my 9900K with VEGA 64 LQ I can have (4) tracks of 4K HEVC files, each with track motion resizing them to 1/4th of the screen, all playing at once and I get full FPS in both Preview & Best/Full.

CPU usage during 4 track playback is minimal, at around 12% whereas GPU usage is at 50%. Add crossfades to just one track & my GPU usage jumps to 95% and playback slows to a crawl..

Also, with (4) tracks of 4K, drive speed matters. If the source footage is on one of my (2) 2TB M.2 RAID0 drives, it only takes a fraction of a second for the preview to display FULL fps.... If the source footage is on a SATA drive, it can take more than a second to get full FPS...

This is my old tried & true method of choosing which camera I want to switch to when editing a multi-camera event..  I arm the audio to record my voice on a new track & set markers at each camera switch while calling out what camera I think is best.  Then, the 2nd time through I drag the chosen track to the top full-size track.  After that I might tweak the exact cut point but it saves me a ton of time & the reason I prefer Vegas vs. other NLEs... 

 

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 16TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & new $135 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are older 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

fr0sty wrote on 6/28/2020, 3:11 AM

It's worth noting this is a 10 bit, Rec2020 hybrid-log-gamma (HLG) file, I'm not sure if hardware decoding support works for those files in VEGAS or not... care to chime in, team? If not, it's even harder to decode than a standard 8bit HEVC file if the load is being forced onto your CPU. You may have better luck using proxies for those files if they cannot be hardware decoded.

I do know the 10 bit H264 files from my Panasonic S1's can't be decoded on GPUs, because it is 4:2:2 and GPUs only support 4:2:0 chroma sub-sampling for hardware decode.

lenard-p wrote on 6/28/2020, 7:55 AM

It's worth noting this is a 10 bit, Rec2020 hybrid-log-gamma (HLG) file, I'm not sure if hardware decoding support works for those files in VEGAS or not... care to chime in, team? If not, it's even harder to decode than a standard 8bit HEVC file if the load is being forced onto your CPU.

 

I notice something unusual with vp17. and this format of video. First up, plays fine with media players and davinci resolve. uses gpu decode on my Nvidia. but in VP17 there is no GPU decode, and oddly is GPU accelerated (no gpu decoded) on my intel processor which should not even be used by vp17. "enable legacy HEVC decoding via intel quicksync" is not turned on. GPU acceleration is turned on and set to my Nvidia card.

This seems to be a bug. with media player and Davinci Resolve I get little cpu activity and smooth playback, with vp17, very poor unusable playback and about 65% cpu. If you want to test on your vp17 this is the file. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B58KOvm3krLlTGpzQ3pBQVlWcDQ/view

 

j-v wrote on 6/28/2020, 12:28 PM

@lenard-p
I see nothing strange with that file loaded on VPro 17 b 452 on my laptop exept a very bad coloured picture. Look how the file plays at Preview Full and what the loads are

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti.
Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, CPU i7 7700HQ, 8 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 17,18 and VMS PL 16,17 are installed, all latest builds
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 456.38 Studio Driver.
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Paolo-Bruno wrote on 6/28/2020, 2:13 PM

@lenard-p
I see nothing strange with that file loaded on VPro 17 b 452 on my laptop exept a very bad coloured picture. Look how the file plays at Preview Full and what the loads are


How do you get the same info about the project and the preview?

 

j-v wrote on 6/28/2020, 2:36 PM

How do you get the same info about the project and the preview?

That will be done by your preview settings

 

 

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti.
Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, CPU i7 7700HQ, 8 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 17,18 and VMS PL 16,17 are installed, all latest builds
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 456.38 Studio Driver.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

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Howard-Vigorita wrote on 6/28/2020, 4:07 PM

@Paolo-Bruno afaik, your rog strikx motherboard has an Intel igpu onboard and your performance should benefit by using it for decoding. You might want to make sure you have the latest drivers for that igpu obtained from the asus support site for your motherboard (not from Intel). I find with my own asus motherboard that I get the best overall Vegas performance using the Intel igpu for decoding and even better performance if I uncheck the Intel legacy option on the File I/O screen. That frees up my video board for everything else.

Cameras: Z-Cam E2 classic, Canon XF305, JVC GV-LS2, Canon 6D w/L-glass line.
Laptop: Dell XPS15-9570; i7-8750h 32gb (integrated Intel UHD-630 & Nvidia GTX-1050Ti)
Road: Intel NUC i7 8809g 32gb (integrated AMD VegaM 4gb graphics and Intel HD630)
Workstation: i9 9900k 32 gb (Sapphire AMD Radeon VII 16gb graphics and integrated Intel UHD630)
Workstation2: e5 1650v4 128 gb (Sapphire Nitro+ RX5700xt Navi 8gb graphics)
Workstation3: i7-980X 24gb (Sapphire Nitro+ Vega64 8gb graphics)
currently Vegas 17.452 (testing Vegas 18.284)

j-v wrote on 6/28/2020, 4:34 PM

@Howard-Vigorita
I don't see you have also the GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER with the right drivers that @Paolo-Bruno has.
How do you know that your Intel igpu performs better?
Is there some statement from the developpers I did not see?

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti.
Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, CPU i7 7700HQ, 8 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 17,18 and VMS PL 16,17 are installed, all latest builds
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 456.38 Studio Driver.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

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lenard-p wrote on 6/28/2020, 7:42 PM

@lenard-p
I see nothing strange with that file loaded on VPro 17 b 452 on my laptop exept a very bad coloured picture. Look how the file plays at Preview Full and what the loads are

Your decode is working just fine. I don't have decode. I put the settings at the end of video

 

lenard-p wrote on 6/28/2020, 10:06 PM

@j-v Can you see if you can make vp17 use your Nvidia gpu video decoder for that file?

 

 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 6/29/2020, 12:58 AM

@Howard-Vigorita
I don't see you have also the GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER with the right drivers that @Paolo-Bruno has.
How do you know that your Intel igpu performs better?
Is there some statement from the developpers I did not see?

@j-v I have a different brand gpu but almost the same motherboard and cpu. And have benchmarked it every which way in this thread... complete with video capture of me doing it. In all the testing I've done on various gpus and systems, dividing the load always seems to improve performance. Indeed, as soon as Intel releases its rumored Xe pcie board, I'm gonna grab a couple for my systems that do not have an onboard igpu. And naturally, report the results here.

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Cameras: Z-Cam E2 classic, Canon XF305, JVC GV-LS2, Canon 6D w/L-glass line.
Laptop: Dell XPS15-9570; i7-8750h 32gb (integrated Intel UHD-630 & Nvidia GTX-1050Ti)
Road: Intel NUC i7 8809g 32gb (integrated AMD VegaM 4gb graphics and Intel HD630)
Workstation: i9 9900k 32 gb (Sapphire AMD Radeon VII 16gb graphics and integrated Intel UHD630)
Workstation2: e5 1650v4 128 gb (Sapphire Nitro+ RX5700xt Navi 8gb graphics)
Workstation3: i7-980X 24gb (Sapphire Nitro+ Vega64 8gb graphics)
currently Vegas 17.452 (testing Vegas 18.284)

j-v wrote on 6/29/2020, 3:05 AM

@j-v Can you see if you can make vp17 use your Nvidia gpu video decoder for that file?

No, these are my settings you showed.


But also if all options are unchequed in File/I/O, it makes for that file no difference.
It does when I use my GOPro 4K HEVC files.

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti.
Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, CPU i7 7700HQ, 8 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 17,18 and VMS PL 16,17 are installed, all latest builds
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 456.38 Studio Driver.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEMCELL DONOR !!!

lenard-p wrote on 6/29/2020, 4:11 AM

using your settings I can't replicate video decode on intel gpu, which would be good enough. Well i'm out of ideas, maybe a nice computer restart will help

j-v wrote on 6/29/2020, 4:21 AM

And maybe using the right GPU drivers for that task.
But nowhere I see you mentioned the type of Nvidia and Intel GPU so I cannot give you advice for suitable drivers.

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti.
Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, CPU i7 7700HQ, 8 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 17,18 and VMS PL 16,17 are installed, all latest builds
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 456.38 Studio Driver.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEMCELL DONOR !!!

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 10/17/2020, 10:39 AM

Here's a little tidbit I noticed in the latest Intel driver release... no indication of if or when an Xe pcie board might happen but look at that decoder list! May or may not be what gamers are hoping for but it'll change everything for video editing.

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Cameras: Z-Cam E2 classic, Canon XF305, JVC GV-LS2, Canon 6D w/L-glass line.
Laptop: Dell XPS15-9570; i7-8750h 32gb (integrated Intel UHD-630 & Nvidia GTX-1050Ti)
Road: Intel NUC i7 8809g 32gb (integrated AMD VegaM 4gb graphics and Intel HD630)
Workstation: i9 9900k 32 gb (Sapphire AMD Radeon VII 16gb graphics and integrated Intel UHD630)
Workstation2: e5 1650v4 128 gb (Sapphire Nitro+ RX5700xt Navi 8gb graphics)
Workstation3: i7-980X 24gb (Sapphire Nitro+ Vega64 8gb graphics)
currently Vegas 17.452 (testing Vegas 18.284)

AVsupport wrote on 10/18/2020, 12:31 AM

says 12 bit but no mention on 10bit 4:2:2.. that's the current issue as I see it (awaiting my A7Siii arrival..); like current situation whereas HW support for 4:4:4 and 4:2:0 is there but not for 4:2:2.. the devil could well be in the detail..

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my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

16GB (2x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

lenard-p wrote on 10/18/2020, 3:43 AM

On the intel driver page it does appear to say it will support your camera, but after the great disappointment that was the Nvidia decoder in latest GPU's I"M prepared to be disappointed again. TGL/RKL is the decoder, D means decode supported

https://github.com/intel/media-driver