HD rendering options

Neel wrote on 5/8/2019, 5:11 PM

So I recently upgraded from Vegas 11 Platinum to Vegas 16 Platinum, and having some rendering difficulties.

I have an HD video 16:9 1080p, 30fps.

In Vegas 11, I used to pick the Sony AVC/MVC Internet 1920x1080-30p preset, export, upload it to youTube, everyone's happy.

In Vegas 16, I picked the MAGIX HEVC/AAC MP4 format, and the Internet HD 1080p 29.97 fps (Intel QSV) preset, and strange things are happening:

1. If I select "Render loop region only" with about 1 minute worth of video, it's fine.

2. If I render the whole video, I get a black screen with no sound for the full hour.

What gives here? Any suggestions? What's the equivalent preset to the format I used in Vegas 11?

Thanks

Neel

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Eagle Six wrote on 5/8/2019, 5:30 PM

HI @Neel, not trying to be a wise guy but, why not use the Sony AVC internet 1080-30p template in VEGAS Movie Studio 16 Platinum, export, upload to Youtube and everyone's happy again!

 

System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

Eagle Six wrote on 5/8/2019, 5:35 PM

There is a thread in the Vegas Pro forum where users have been comparing the MAGIX AVC render quality results to the older Sony AVC render results and many are favoring the Sony render for higher quality by a small margin. The Sony render format may take a bit longer to render, so there are trade-offs, but the first thing I'm sure you want to resolve are the black frames!

What make, model and driver version is your GPU?

And, what are the specs of your source media? (use the free app 'Mediainfo' in 'Text' view mode)

There are a lot of things you can try to solve your issue, and most of them will depend on the information about your system and project you can provide.

System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

Neel wrote on 5/8/2019, 5:52 PM

Oh yeah, forgot to mention. I tried the Sony XAVC option first, the the resulting file had a .mxf extension, never seen this extension before. Anyway, when I opened the file in VLC player, I got no sound and the video was like a flashing strobe light. So that's when I tried the MAGIX AVC format.

I'm using the onboard video, HD Graphics 630 on an i7-770.

In this case, source files are a couple of still photos (jpg and png) over a 16-bit wav audio recording (it's basically to get a podcast on youTube).

Neel

Neel wrote on 5/8/2019, 5:54 PM

Oh wait, trying the Sony AVC option now (not XAVC)...why did I not see this before? #brainfart...

Will report if this works...

Eagle Six wrote on 5/8/2019, 5:55 PM

What were the results when you rendered using the Sony AVC format like you used to in version 11?

 

Sorry we posted over each other and I didn't see your previous post.....waiting for results....Thank You

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System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

Neel wrote on 5/8/2019, 6:15 PM

Rendering now, and yeah, it's much slower than the MAGIX formats. But the preview window shows only black, which makes me worried. 16 minutes more to go...

EricLNZ wrote on 5/8/2019, 6:17 PM

But the preview window shows only black,

That means your rendered file will be black!!

Neel wrote on 5/8/2019, 6:23 PM

But the preview window shows only black,

That means your rendered file will be black!!

So what do I do? Can Vegas 16 not render long videos????

Neel wrote on 5/8/2019, 6:40 PM

Hmm...cancelled the render, closed Vegas, restarted it, tried it again and now getting an image in the preview window. Weird and random.

EricLNZ wrote on 5/8/2019, 7:21 PM

Personally for a long render I'd reboot my pc completely and not do anything else while it's rendering.

Also are you using any gpu processing with the Sony AVC?

Neel wrote on 5/8/2019, 7:34 PM

Personally for a long render I'd reboot my pc completely and not do anything else while it's rendering.

Also are you using any gpu processing with the Sony AVC?

I've got 4 videos rendering the background, and yeah, did a full restart before starting them. GPU processing in Vegas is turned off I think. CPU is at 100% load, but I can still surf the internet.

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Intel i7-7700 on Gigabyte H270-HD3, 16 GB DDR4, Onboard Intel HD 630 Graphics, 256 GB SSD (system), 6 TB hard drive (documents, videos, etc), Windows 10 Home, Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 16

Eagle Six wrote on 5/8/2019, 7:55 PM

@Neel is that 4 instances of Movie Studio you have loaded to render the 4 videos in the background? And, you are surfing the net....you live dangerous my friend. Sometimes it works out, others time is doesn't. Best Practice is @EricLNZ recommendation above, when a long render is involved.

System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

Eagle Six wrote on 5/8/2019, 8:00 PM

@EricLNZ I don't show an option for GPU render assistance in Sony AVC. Of course GPU may have an effect if it is selected in Preferences > Video GPU acceleration of video processing, but I would think much.

System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

EricLNZ wrote on 5/8/2019, 8:41 PM

As an aside I find with CPU only processing the Magix AVC/AAC (using Mainconcept) much slower than Sony AVC/MVC. But if I use Intel QSV with Magix AVC/AAC, it then becomes faster than Sony AVC.

Neel wrote on 5/9/2019, 5:08 AM

Success with the Sony AVC format, guess I'll stick to that for now. Slow, but I let them run overnight, so who cares?

Thanks for the assists everyone!