How to improve timeline performance with Vegas Pro 14

Cliff Etzel wrote on 4/18/2018, 11:56 AM

I'm so done with Premiere Pro and it seems my purchasing Vegas Pro 14 through the Humble Bundle deal came at the right time. I was in the process of exporting out a project I had started in Premiere Pro CS6 to continue editing in Vegas Pro - Went back to Premiere to fix one thing to re-export out the project to VP14 only to receive this error message: "The project could not be loaded, it may be damaged or contain outdated elements"

There was NOTHING done to these clips in Premiere as they were straight cuts only. It seems this is a long standing issue with Premiere Pro that has never been fixed going back as far as 2011. I had set auto save every 5 minutes AND was doing a CRTL+S after every change to the timeline. The auto save as well would not open with the same message.

I had fortunately imported the previous safe version of the Premiere Project file into Vegas Pro 14 and all is good on that front save the one change I needed to make back in Premiere.

Having said that - what can I do to improve timeline playback performance? I always transcode to Cineform before I even begin cutting. Too many forum posts related to editing native footage has proven to me that my working with converted Cineform clips is the safest bet. My desktop and laptop are due for a serious refresh on the hardware front - UNLESS I can eek out my desktop hardware for awhile longer. Still editing on a hex core x58 mobo with 24GB RAM and an nVidia GTX-660ti graphics card. I keep my project files on a separate HD and edit my clips off of an external Raid0 backing up those clips to a separate backup HD in a dock attached to the computer.

I am using various plugins: Neat Video, Magic Bullet Looks, VisionColor LUT plugin and Vegas2Handbrake are my go to's in Vegas Pro.

For Vegas Pro 14 - what would be a good graphics card to upgrade to? I'm still editing HD footage from my Olympus mirrorless camerasd but do plan on finally moving to newer bodies that shoot 4K later this year. AMD or nVidia for graphics card? Given that my CS6 suite is now getting really long in the tooth, the apps I have relied upon in my work are really beginning to act up (Adobe Audition CS6 is as well) and trying to determine what to do moving forward.

I'm not sure what to do at this point but it seems something needs to be done to improve my editing experience.

Anyone?

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OldSmoke wrote on 4/18/2018, 1:40 PM

VP14 can’t use your GTX660Ti for timeline acceleration. In that regard, VP14 is no different from SVP13. Buy a second hand RX290 of eBay if you want to invest as little as possible. You can also try and convert a short clip to XAVC-I with Catalyst Browse and see how that works inside VP14.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Cliff Etzel wrote on 4/18/2018, 1:57 PM

Which version: the 4GB or 8GB??? What about R390? I still have my old Radeon 6970 2gb card as well to hold me over... Just need to install.it

OldSmoke wrote on 4/19/2018, 5:39 AM

Which version: the 4GB or 8GB??? What about R390? I still have my old Radeon 6970 2gb card as well to hold me over... Just need to install.it

A R9 390X 8GB card will do better with 4K and you can keep it for your next build but I think your 6970 will match the current processor better. If you go with a newer card, which is also PCIe 3.0, your current processor will not be able to feed it fast enough with data.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Cliff Etzel wrote on 4/19/2018, 1:25 PM

Which version: the 4GB or 8GB??? What about R390? I still have my old Radeon 6970 2gb card as well to hold me over... Just need to install.it

A R9 390X 8GB card will do better with 4K and you can keep it for your next build but I think your 6970 will match the current processor better. If you go with a newer card, which is also PCIe 3.0, your current processor will not be able to feed it fast enough with data.

The Radeon got REALLY hot yesterday after a long session of editing. Shuit the computer down and it kind of froze. Hard powered down. This morning computer couldn't post past the DMI window - tried restoring from previous image, etc.. no go. Had to reinstall from scratch and then restore from the image - lost some settings but not too bad.

Do the AMD cards run hotter than nVidia cards? Even with the fan full bore last night, the Radeon got to 80C!!! My nvidia card never got hotter than upper 60's... I pulled the Radeon card and reinstalled the nVidia card for now - I'll deal with the timeline issues until I can get a newer fully supported card for VP14/VP15.

OldSmoke wrote on 4/19/2018, 4:00 PM

Which version: the 4GB or 8GB??? What about R390? I still have my old Radeon 6970 2gb card as well to hold me over... Just need to install.it

A R9 390X 8GB card will do better with 4K and you can keep it for your next build but I think your 6970 will match the current processor better. If you go with a newer card, which is also PCIe 3.0, your current processor will not be able to feed it fast enough with data.

The Radeon got REALLY hot yesterday after a long session of editing. Shuit the computer down and it kind of froze. Hard powered down. This morning computer couldn't post past the DMI window - tried restoring from previous image, etc.. no go. Had to reinstall from scratch and then restore from the image - lost some settings but not too bad.

Do the AMD cards run hotter than nVidia cards? Even with the fan full bore last night, the Radeon got to 80C!!! My nvidia card never got hotter than upper 60's... I pulled the Radeon card and reinstalled the nVidia card for now - I'll deal with the timeline issues until I can get a newer fully supported card for VP14/VP15.

Well, since VP14 can’t really use the GTX660 it won’t get hot and yes, the older AMD cards do get hot and you also need a good power supply, 750W gold certified would be a minimum.

Keep in mind that the card that supports fully VP15 doesn’t support VP14.

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Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Cliff Etzel wrote on 4/19/2018, 4:46 PM

I've never had my graphics card get that hot even when I was using Premiere pro. Do the AMD cards suffer from the same heat issues?

OldSmoke wrote on 4/19/2018, 5:56 PM

My GTX580 did get hot, especially when it was fully utilized during CUDA rendering which is why I changed it to water cooled. Newer AMD cards do run cooler.

You would have to compare the load between PPro and VP to make a better conclusion.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Cliff Etzel wrote on 4/19/2018, 6:04 PM

My GTX580 did get hot, especially when it was fully utilized during CUDA rendering which is why I changed it to water cooled. Newer AMD cards do run cooler.

You would have to compare the load between PPro and VP to make a better conclusion.

Well I think the Radeon card is toast - Any time I try to install it - my computer hangs and then I get BSOD's and things like unbootable disk errors... Put the nVidia card back in, the computer does do some thinking and then boots up normally. Sigh... Guess I'll deal with the nVidia card until I'm ready to go with an AMD card. I have another thread started about new build recommendations - Threadripper or stick with tried and true Intel like the 8700k(?)

The hardware these days is pretty confusing compared to when I built my current desktop so any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks for chiming in on this thread and patiently answering my questions.

fifonik wrote on 4/19/2018, 10:41 PM

Looks like you have some issues with your system. Your graphic card might be faulty.

Does your PSU is capable for your graphics card? Have you stress tested your GPU (use FurMark for this)?

I'm using ATI/AMD cards for long time (4?50, 6850, 280, 470 now). They were never very hot in Vegas (may be because I do not use GPU for encoder). I even have not noticed the fan usually (it is started to be loud in games). And yes, good PSU is important. I do not care about "Gold", but at least "Bronse" certification for me is the must.

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Cliff Etzel wrote on 4/19/2018, 11:03 PM

Looks like you have some issues with your system. Your graphic card might be faulty.

Does your PSU is capable for your graphics card? Have you stress tested your GPU (use FurMark for this)?

I'm using ATI/AMD cards for long time (4?50, 6850, 280, 470 now). They were never very hot in Vegas (may be because I do not use GPU for encoder). I even have not noticed the fan usually (it is started to be loud in games). And yes, good PSU is important. I do not care about "Gold", but at least "Bronse" certification for me is the must.

PSU is a Corsair 750 watt power supply - Reinstalled my nVidia GTX-660ti and after some hiccups, I'm back up and running - idle temps with the card sits at 49C and goes up to around 70c when rendering using the Vegas2Handbrake script - I also think it renders faster than when I had the Radeon card installed - again, I think it was on it's last legs and finally died...

Cliff Etzel wrote on 4/20/2018, 12:26 AM

 

Well, since VP14 can’t really use the GTX660 it won’t get hot and yes, the older AMD cards do get hot and you also need a good power supply, 750W gold certified would be a minimum.

Keep in mind that the card that supports fully VP15 doesn’t support VP14.

I hope MAGIX can get Vegas PRo 15 sorted out - After reading all the headaches with this version, I"m hesitant to upgrade as much as the new features appeal to me. For the time being, VP14 will work and will look to upgrade to the AMD R390 8GB card later next month. Hoping that can hold me over for awhile longer until I can get the funds put together to go with a new mobo, processor and 32GB RAM