I think I'm done with Vegas Pro

George-Thomas wrote on 4/27/2019, 11:36 PM

I've been using Vegas Pro since version 8. I've always had problems with occasional crashes during editing and rendering that seemed to be related to the GPU. I bought a new computer recently and upgraded to Vegas Pro 16. The problem is worse than ever. This has been a continuing problem for years and I don't know why I keep hoping it will ever be fixed. I need something more stable. I believe this will be my last Vegas version.

Comments

karma17 wrote on 4/28/2019, 1:49 AM

Not to minimize your troubles, but it's hard to believe that you had problems with every version of Vegas Pro since version 8. Vegas 12 and 13 were solid for me, V15, the last build was quite stable, and so far, V16 hasn't crashed on me in the longest time. That's not to say things don't happen, but honestly, one of the reasons I like Vegas is for its stability. And if I'm not mistaken, V8-V13 didn't even have GPU accelerated rendering.

mintyslippers wrote on 4/28/2019, 3:02 AM

Every version I've used has had some issues. Usually related to gpu acceleration. Timeline freezing in 12. Total crashes in 12. But 16 is rock solid on my new rig. Ryzen 2700x, rtx 2060 with 419.67 crd drivers. The only issue I have is rendering using the lut filter will crash due to a gpu memory leak bug.

Over locking causes general stability issues so stay away from it. Make sure you use quality ram so you can actually hit the speeds you want. A decent motherboard is also a must.

Btw. Premier or resolve is no more stable. They all crash out just as you don't want them to.

fr0sty wrote on 4/28/2019, 3:46 AM

1. Try before you buy. There are demos, use them.

2. Before you throw your hands up and give up, reach out to the community (see Nick's post for where to start), 9 times out of 10, they can help you solve your problem (just look at all the threads marked "resolved" in here, and note that most of the time when a resolution is found, they don't bother to mark the thread resolved).

3. If that fails, file a support ticket.

4. If that still fails, then you have a valid reason to throw in the towel, but keep in mind no software is perfect. I've had every major NLE crash on me before, and some can't even do what I need out of them. Others expect me to buy new hardware (made by the same company) to use them properly.

karma17 wrote on 4/28/2019, 4:08 AM

@fr0sty That's very sage advice and well said!! It always seems easy to focus on the software as the problem, and even though it may be, there's so many other variables to consider.

George-Thomas wrote on 4/28/2019, 10:04 AM

I will gather the information up and submit it again. Has not helped in the past, but maybe this time.

TheRhino wrote on 4/28/2019, 10:12 AM

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...I bought a new computer recently....

If it came with preinstalled software, etc. you may want to re-install Windows without the bloatware, etc. Then, check this forum to find which is the best GPU driver for your system. After that, prevent Windows from performing auto updates, install Vegas, and test it without anything else installed. I always do a full backup at this point so that if an update, software addition, etc. messes-up Vegas I can go back to a known working install.

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

john_dennis wrote on 4/28/2019, 10:41 AM

"I always do a full backup at this point so that if an update, software addition, etc. messes-up Vegas I can go back to a known working install."

+1

I keep full image backups at different stages of system development. Every year or so, I even take load the base Windows installation with no applications at all and apply all the current Windows maintenance so I can hand the system over to someone else when I give it away.

For software testing, I have a spare SSD that is mounted currently. Going back to a stable system involves moving a cable.

mintyslippers wrote on 4/28/2019, 10:42 AM

There is so much that can screw things up. ESPECIALLY antivirus. OMG that stuff can destroy a machine and @TheRhino is right. If its a prebuilt new PC it's likely stuffed full of bloatware and McAfee. The worst of the worst. You 100% dont need things like HP support thingy ma bob. In my system tray is my AV, Corsair Link to let me control and monitor my system, Logitech thing for managing custom mappings and thats it. Check your startup for whats loading and you may find a boat ton of things. It's all junk.

Do a full manual wipe and reinstall and after drivers install and test vegas. Chances are it will run like a champ. Then install bits and test as you go and you may well find something messing with it.

For me I do use AV and I am solid with Kaspersky Security Cloud Free and Bitdefender Free. Either of those (but never both).

George-Thomas wrote on 4/29/2019, 12:01 AM

Here are the details:

Vegas Pro 16.0 Build 361

PC #1 - Windows 10 Home Version 1803

PC #2 - Windows 10 Pro Version 1809

Recording app - mainly Blackmagic ATEM Software Control Version 7.5.2 (earlier versions had same issue) Some of the videos on the timeline are also files created with Vegas.

Delivery Destination - various. YouTube, hit bitrate MP4, low bitrate MP4 (doesn't really matter)

Exact symptoms of problem - Application become unresponsive during editing. Windows spins the mouse cursor circle. Vegas eventually grays out. Doesn't matter if Vegas is playing back at the time, or I am just moving on the timeline. Also will crash during rendering occasionally.

A file with this trouble:

General
Complete name                            : C:\Video\AmateurLogic\129\amlogic129.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (iso4/avc1/isom)
File size                                : 11.2 GiB
Duration                                 : 1 h 21 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 19.8 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-04-13 01:10:10
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-04-13 01:10:10
Writing library                          : Apple QuickTime
TIM                                      : 00:00:00:00
TSC                                      : 30000
TSZ                                      : 1001

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=15
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 h 21 min
Duration_LastFrame                       : 92 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 19.5 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 39.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Original height                          : 1 088 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Original display aspect ratio            : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.313
Stream size                              : 11.1 GiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-04-13 01:10:10
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-04-13 01:10:10
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : mp4a
Codec ID                                 : mp4a
Duration                                 : 1 h 21 min
Source duration                          : 1 h 21 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Source stream size                       : 148 MiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-04-13 01:10:10
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-04-13 01:10:10

Other
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 1 h 21 min
Time code of first frame                 : 00:00:00:00
Time code, striped                       : Yes
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-04-13 01:10:10
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-04-13 01:10:10

General
  Name: amlogic129.mp4
  Folder: C:\Video\AmateurLogic\129
  Type: AVC
  Size: 11.78 GB (12,067,127,054 bytes)
  Created: Friday, April 12, 2019, 8:10:10 PM
  Modified: Friday, April 12, 2019, 9:31:35 PM
  Accessed: Friday, April 12, 2019, 8:10:10 PM
  Attributes: Archive

Streams
  Video: 01:21:24.848, 29.969 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, AVC
  Audio: 01:21:24.777, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AAC

Summary
  [TCFM]: 6

ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: no

Other metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no

Media manager
  Media tags: no

Plug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 16.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

I am not uploading a sample file at this time because they are very large. I can later if it helps.

PC # 1 - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB (Driver 23.21.13.9125)

PC # 2 - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660(Driver 24.21.13.9924) and Intel HD Graphics 4600(Driver 20.19.15.4835)(doesn't matter if the Intel device is enabled or not.

PC # 1 - GPU can be either Enabled or Disabled in Vegas and still has the issue. Worse when GPU is enabled.

PC # 2 - I don't seem to have a choice to Enable the GPU in Vegas on this machine. Not sure why it doesn't appear in the drop down list for GPU acceleration...

Project Properties:


We can tackle rendering issues later.
Hardware/Configuration information
CPU # 1:
 

System Information report written at: 04/28/19 23:42:59
System Name: DELLVIDEO
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Version    10.0.17134 Build 17134    
Other OS Description     Not Available    
OS Manufacturer    Microsoft Corporation    
System Name    DELLVIDEO    
System Manufacturer    Dell Inc.    
System Model    Inspiron 5680    
System Type    x64-based PC    
System SKU    0874    
Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz, 3192 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s)    
BIOS Version/Date    Dell Inc. 1.3.2, 7/18/2018    
SMBIOS Version    3.0    
Embedded Controller Version    255.255    
BIOS Mode    UEFI    
BaseBoard Manufacturer    Dell Inc.    
BaseBoard Model    Not Available    
BaseBoard Name    Base Board    
Platform Role    Desktop    
Secure Boot State    On    
PCR7 Configuration    Elevation Required to View    
Windows Directory    C:\Windows    
System Directory    C:\Windows\system32    
Boot Device    \Device\HarddiskVolume8    
Locale    United States    
Hardware Abstraction Layer    Version = "10.0.17134.619"    
User Name    ******************    
Time Zone    Central Daylight Time    
Installed Physical Memory (RAM)    8.00 GB    
Total Physical Memory    7.89 GB    
Available Physical Memory    4.31 GB    
Total Virtual Memory    10.0 GB    
Available Virtual Memory    4.17 GB    
Page File Space    2.13 GB    
Page File    C:\pagefile.sys    
Kernel DMA Protection    Off    
Virtualization-based security    Not enabled    
Device Encryption Support    Elevation Required to View    
Hyper-V - VM Monitor Mode Extensions    Yes    
Hyper-V - Second Level Address Translation Extensions    Yes    
Hyper-V - Virtualization Enabled in Firmware    Yes    
Hyper-V - Data Execution Protection    Yes    

CPU #2:
 

System Information report written at: 04/28/19 23:50:25
System Name: DBM-SYSTEMS
[System Summary]Item    Value    
OS Name    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro    
Version    10.0.17763 Build 17763    
Other OS Description     Not Available    
OS Manufacturer    Microsoft Corporation    
System Name    DBM-SYSTEMS    
System Manufacturer    Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.    
System Model    Z87-DS3H    
System Type    x64-based PC    
System SKU    To be filled by O.E.M.    
Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz, 3501 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)    
BIOS Version/Date    American Megatrends Inc. F2, 1/20/2014    
SMBIOS Version    2.7    
Embedded Controller Version    255.255    
BIOS Mode    Legacy    
BaseBoard Manufacturer    Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.    
BaseBoard Product    Z87-DS3H    
BaseBoard Version    x.x    
Platform Role    Desktop    
Secure Boot State    Unsupported    
PCR7 Configuration    Binding Not Possible    
Windows Directory    C:\WINDOWS    
System Directory    C:\WINDOWS\system32    
Boot Device    \Device\HarddiskVolume1    
Locale    United States    
Hardware Abstraction Layer    Version = "10.0.17763.194"    
User Name    **************************   
Time Zone    Central Daylight Time    
Installed Physical Memory (RAM)    16.0 GB    
Total Physical Memory    15.9 GB    
Available Physical Memory    11.9 GB    
Total Virtual Memory    31.9 GB    
Available Virtual Memory    26.6 GB    
Page File Space    16.0 GB    
Page File    C:\pagefile.sys    
Kernel DMA Protection    Off    
Virtualization-based security    Not enabled    
Device Encryption Support    Reasons for failed automatic device encryption: TPM is not usable, PCR7 binding is not supported, Hardware Security Test Interface failed and device is not InstantGo, Un-allowed DMA capable bus/device(s) detected, Disabled by policy, TPM is not usable    
Hyper-V - VM Monitor Mode Extensions    Yes    
Hyper-V - Second Level Address Translation Extensions    Yes    
Hyper-V - Virtualization Enabled in Firmware    Yes    
Hyper-V - Data Execution Protection    Yes    

Some CPU #1 Failure Details:
Description
A problem caused this program to stop interacting with Windows.
Faulting Application Path:    C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 16.0\vegas160.exe

Problem signature
Problem Event Name:    AppHangB1
Application Name:    vegas160.exe
Application Version:    16.0.0.361
Application Timestamp:    5c305e25
Hang Signature:    0000
Hang Type:    134217984
OS Version:    10.0.17134.2.0.0.768.101
Locale ID:    1033
Additional Hang Signature 1:    00000000000000000000000000000000
Additional Hang Signature 2:    0000
Additional Hang Signature 3:    00000000000000000000000000000000
Additional Hang Signature 4:    0000
Additional Hang Signature 5:    00000000000000000000000000000000
Additional Hang Signature 6:    0000
Additional Hang Signature 7:    00000000000000000000000000000000

Extra information about the problem
Bucket ID:    891eb2b2a20ddaf77262444885b36251 (1324696318671807057)
 

The program vegas160.exe version 16.0.0.361 stopped interacting with Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is available, check the problem history in the Security and Maintenance control panel.
 Process ID: 16ac
 Start Time: 01d4fde9a14f2110
 Termination Time: 11
 Application Path: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 16.0\vegas160.exe
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 Faulting package full name: 
 Faulting package-relative application ID: 
 

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TheRhino wrote on 4/29/2019, 8:40 AM

Sometimes Vegas crashes if the source video files have issues. Do you have a way to use a different app to convert the source files to an equal quality alternative & then load those files into Vegas?

A number of years ago I sometimes had issues with files imported with a Blackmagic PCIe capture card. I tried different versions of the Blackmagic Decklink software/drivers & eventually my issues were resolved...

Last changed by TheRhino on 4/29/2019, 8:46 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

Norbert wrote on 4/29/2019, 9:18 AM

Vegas needs to be rewritten totally to be more stable...

Turd wrote on 4/29/2019, 9:36 AM

Sometimes Vegas crashes if the source video files have issues. Do you have a way to use a different app to convert the source files to an equal quality alternative & then load those files into Vegas?

A number of years ago I sometimes had issues with files imported with a Blackmagic PCIe capture card. I tried different versions of the Blackmagic Decklink software/drivers & eventually my issues were resolved...

I was about to respond the same way, then I saw your message...

I work with many a varied video sources and have seen at least two VP versions crash immediately or hang until they grey-out from certain source formats or from source corrupt data. My biggest complaint with Vegas is it doesn't appear to handle source errors very well. Conversion in those cases fixes the problem every time (except in cases of extreme data corruption), but I very much look forward to the day I no longer must do so. That being written, I'm still a life-long Vegas fan!

Note to self (everyone else please look away -- the note that follows is a reminder for mine eyes only): Figure out a clever, kick-booty signature that suggests I'm completely aware of how to properly and exhaustively party on and that I, in fact, engage in said act on a frequent and spontaneous basis.

George-Thomas wrote on 4/29/2019, 9:53 AM

Yes, I really love Vegas and that is why I have stayed with it all these years. I waste a lot of time and lose a lot of edits recovering with the autosave file several times per project. It's very frustrating.
I have upgraded versions of the Blackmagic switcher software many times with same result.
It takes a long time to convert an hour and a half of video before you can begin editing. What do you recommend to convert with? BTW, I have the same issue when I'm using video recorded on a Cannon HF-G10 camera and Blackmagic is not involved.

 

fr0sty wrote on 4/29/2019, 10:09 AM

I've had all kinds of issues with that blackmagic capture software. Try to use OBS studio instead, you will find it much more stable, and you can even use it to live stream video. It also has many more format options.

Can you post some file details from a clip from your Canon?

Corkey wrote on 4/29/2019, 10:36 AM

I've been using Vegas Pro since version 8. I've always had problems with occasional crashes during editing and rendering that seemed to be related to the GPU. I bought a new computer recently and upgraded to Vegas Pro 16. The problem is worse than ever. This has been a continuing problem for years and I don't know why I keep hoping it will ever be fixed. I need something more stable. I believe this will be my last Vegas version.

I'm with you George! The only difference is that I have years of client projects so I am forced to continue to use Vegas. I am constantly updating/modifying projects (for a subscription based streaming service). Whenever I make changes, I use the current version of Vegas (for the feature set?), otherwise I would have 12 different versions of Vegas on my computer.

It will be hard for you to find anyone on this forum criticize Vegas unless they are having technical issues with it. I love Vegas, but I can't stand the current state of it and/or the evelopment of it at the moment.

Turd wrote on 4/29/2019, 12:18 PM

Yes, I really love Vegas and that is why I have stayed with it all these years. I waste a lot of time and lose a lot of edits recovering with the autosave file several times per project. It's very frustrating.
I have upgraded versions of the Blackmagic switcher software many times with same result.
It takes a long time to convert an hour and a half of video before you can begin editing. What do you recommend to convert with? BTW, I have the same issue when I'm using video recorded on a Cannon HF-G10 camera and Blackmagic is not involved.

 

I use Any Video Converter Free:

https://www.any-video-converter.com/products/for_video_free/

But I'm open to other suggestions because I'm reluctant to actually recommend it for the following reasons:

The website says the converter has no malware, spyware or ads, which might be technically true, but you should be quite careful when you install it. You must carefully opt out of extra downloads during the install or you'll have bloatware that might or not be bad-ware. AVC-Free also generates a pop-up that encourages you to purchase AVC's Pro version after every conversion job.

I work only in an HD environment (no 4K) and I've found that converting to a high-quality .mov generally seems to work best for Vegas. I have the latest Quicktime Player installed (I know, I know, I'm a bad, bad boy). Since it's already installed I don't know if Apple's product is actually needed to work with these specific .mov files in Vegas.

Note to self (everyone else please look away -- the note that follows is a reminder for mine eyes only): Figure out a clever, kick-booty signature that suggests I'm completely aware of how to properly and exhaustively party on and that I, in fact, engage in said act on a frequent and spontaneous basis.

Eagle Six wrote on 4/29/2019, 12:49 PM
 

I work only in an HD environment (no 4K) and I've found that converting to a high-quality .mov generally seems to work best for Vegas. I have the latest Quicktime Player installed (I know, I know, I'm a bad, bad boy). Since it's already installed I don't know if Apple's product is actually needed to work with these specific .mov files in Vegas.

I have no idea what codec is being used in your "high-quality .mov" files from Any Video Converter, but I doubt it is ProRes or DNxHD, so maybe h.264. To test if you need Quicktime it is pretty easy and quick.

Close Vegas Pro, rename the Quicktime folder in your C:\Program Files (x86) to X-Quicktime. Start Vegas Pro, and add a sample converted file. If Vegas needs the qt7dll, it will prompt saying you need Quicktime installed. Then change the extension of your sample file from ".mov" to ".mp4" and try to add that (some mov files are vanilla h.264 and changing the extension will work). After the test your simply change the name X-Quicktime back to Quicktime if you still need it. If you still need the Quicktime installed you are back to where you started, if not uninstall it.

If your converted file is ProRes it should load without the need for Quicktime. If it is DNxHD it will need the 32 bit Quicktime installed.

System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

eikira wrote on 4/29/2019, 12:53 PM

1. Try before you buy. There are demos, use them.

Which will not always help.

I firstly tried VP14, had no issues. Buyed it and the first time i needed their 4K image stabilization (they adverted it as 4K ready etc.) it crashed every time. After research i found out Magix still used the complete outdated mercalli V2 in their DLL which is not really able to do that in 4k.

 

Other than that, i can fully understand George-Thomas. Vegas keeps on crashing for me. 4 seperated systems i use crash more often than i like it. One was a notebook with only 6200u CPU (still in use), one was a notebook with 6700hq+960m gtx (not in use anymore), now a new notebook with same specs in use and the last is my main editing machine now with a complete new MB and 9900k CPU+2070RTX GPU. Crashes in every new project i do.

But why i still use Vegas. Mainly it is just for me the most intuitive NLE, for me most things make sense and i can use them the way i think it is right to cut etc. second, the price. Well if you dont buy it completely new in a period where there is no save on it. I rater pay every year about 200 usd instead of like Adobe Premiere to pay every month about 60 usd... three months and i am already even.

So there are clear pro and con for Vegas Pro. But lets face it for the package you get and you pay you get an in overall good NLE software @George-Thomas. A pal who i convinced 2 months ago to get Vegas at least, that on his machine (the notebook with the 6200u intel above mentioned) said to me, that Premiere crashed even a bit more often and that he is way more pleased with the auto save in vegas than in premiere.

On the market are other big player NLE like DavinciResolve (well for cutting i dont like davinci at all), EDIUS and probably AVID and Adobe Premiere. But will you be more happy with them?

I trained myself to tap very often CTRL+S so i dont even rely on auto save. Yes i understand your frustration with it, really i do, but the alternatives arent that much better i think, not if you are more indipendent and dont shit money i think. But anybody who claims VP16 to be rock solid or never crashed on them, i think are not really honest. At least i cant imagine just because i use VP it has to crash on 4+ different machines with different projects, seems just unlikely.

Eagle Six wrote on 4/29/2019, 1:27 PM
 

But anybody who claims VP16 to be rock solid or never crashed on them, i think are not really honest. At least i cant imagine just because i use VP it has to crash on 4+ different machines with different projects, seems just unlikely.

I wouldn't want to accuse others as being dishonest, but will agree if a user is putting the pressure on Vegas they are probably going to experience problems. I don't use Vegas Pro for my projects, but I do use it for testing and helping others with issues or problems. Even in these small bits and pieces test project I will occasionally get a freeze, lockup, or crash. Other than that, Vegas Pro 16/361 has been relatively stable.

With all the different combinations of motherboard, CPU's, memory, GPU's, drives and drivers, it would appear to me to be very, very few who can claim 'rock solid'. If so they should clone their setup, there is a huge market for any NLE to run rock solid on a PC or Mac!

System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

fr0sty wrote on 4/29/2019, 1:30 PM

Final cut, due to Apple's extremely limited hardware setups, is probably the most stable, but it's also not what I consider a professional NLE. It has a lot of great features, but it does way too much hand holding, coloring in it is nowhere near as good as even Vegas' current state, output options are severely lacking... There is no perfect NLE.

eikira wrote on 4/29/2019, 2:08 PM

I wouldn't want to accuse others as being dishonest, but will agree if a user is putting the pressure on Vegas they are probably going to experience problems.

Well sure, i would also not want to, but i have to. What are the chances anybodys system is so rock solid and 4+ Systems i had the last 18 months (mind windows was installed fresh etc.) just does not want to run without any crashes?

I don't use Vegas Pro for my projects, but I do use it for testing and helping others with issues or problems.

I do. And that is probably the point. If somebody does use a software intensively one will come across an error sooner or later. So Vegas is no exception in that field. That is why i think its not really honest to claim rock solid/never crashes. Could be, but i am highly sceptical that its actually the case.

With all the different combinations of motherboard, CPU's, memory, GPU's, drives and drivers, it would appear to me to be very, very few who can claim 'rock solid'. If so they should clone their setup, there is a huge market for any NLE to run rock solid on a PC or Mac!

I always thought why does Sony, now Magix, not just build a clear setup which is as close as possible to the best performance you can get or 2-3 machines in different price ranges. But on the other hand, that thinking has gone now in the past you could partner up probably better with hardware manufactures to build a specific PC with best intigrated software usage. Now i wonder, what machines do Magix workers have to work with the same software. Any HP ZXX Workstations or to the point own builds?

Final cut, due to Apple's extremely limited hardware setups, is probably the most stable, but it's also not what I consider a professional NLE.

😃 Never really worked with Final Cut or FCPX etc. but at least the price is in the Pro section. So pro prices but mediocre software?

 

 

Turd wrote on 4/29/2019, 2:41 PM
 

I work only in an HD environment (no 4K) and I've found that converting to a high-quality .mov generally seems to work best for Vegas. I have the latest Quicktime Player installed (I know, I know, I'm a bad, bad boy). Since it's already installed I don't know if Apple's product is actually needed to work with these specific .mov files in Vegas.

I have no idea what codec is being used in your "high-quality .mov" files from Any Video Converter, but I doubt it is ProRes or DNxHD, so maybe h.264. To test if you need Quicktime it is pretty easy and quick.

Close Vegas Pro, rename the Quicktime folder in your C:\Program Files (x86) to X-Quicktime. Start Vegas Pro, and add a sample converted file. If Vegas needs the qt7dll, it will prompt saying you need Quicktime installed. Then change the extension of your sample file from ".mov" to ".mp4" and try to add that (some mov files are vanilla h.264 and changing the extension will work). After the test your simply change the name X-Quicktime back to Quicktime if you still need it. If you still need the Quicktime installed you are back to where you started, if not uninstall it.

If your converted file is ProRes it should load without the need for Quicktime. If it is DNxHD it will need the 32 bit Quicktime installed.

Hi Eagle!

"High-quality" is one of the settings on the converter. I'm rather sure AVC-Free does not convert to any professional formats, but I am sure it converts to a format that's "good enough" for what I do under tight deadline circumstances.

My work environment is a TV station newsroom with several VP 10 installs. Back in them days, when VP 10 was new, Quicktime was a must. We get our video from many, many sources, some of which are .mov, so unfortunately, I'm somewhat glued to Quicktime installs : (

Thanks for the help!

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fr0sty wrote on 4/29/2019, 5:25 PM

😃 Never really worked with Final Cut or FCPX etc. but at least the price is in the Pro section. So pro prices but mediocre software?

One of the video crews I often work with insists on using macs for everything, and when we're back in the hotel editing at the end of the day, I often find myself cringing at how limiting FCP is... how much faster I could get the same thing done in Vegas, what few formats FCP properly supports (for instance, this last time we were unable to load in HEVC without buying a new version, so we had to convert it to prores), and then when you click "share" (FCP's version of "render as"), there was only 4 formats to choose from and a handful of presets that couldn't be configured manually... if you want more you have to shell out more to buy compressor. The coloring tools were very limiting, I never got the video looking like I wanted to because there were no proper levels or color curves plugins, only color lab and a few others, none of which used any sort of standardized controls we're used to seeing in NLEs, and the ones they used were more limiting than useful.