Is Vegas getting so good that you might skip the next version?

D7K wrote on 5/31/2019, 9:10 AM

I no longer do anything that is commercial. After 50 years of doing both still and video in line with work, I am now left with one client who does not require any such work. Even thought of going with Studio. However in the long run with stick with VegasPRO. but having done every upgrade since I started a long time ago with a free version of Studio with my Canon Vixia 100 to now shooting everything up to 60 FPS 4k I've decided that PRO is worth the upgrade costs. But for me 16 is so good I think I can wait to 17 for an upgrade. If was more than just a hobbyist I'd certainly stay on the upgrade bandwagon.

So are you a hobbyist or a PRO (doesn't make if full time or part time, do you sell or work for fee)? What is your upgrade plan?

Having done this for a long time, IMHO Magix has done a spectacular job or bringing Vegas back in real competition for the best NLE for independents and small firms.

Example of what I am now going to be "working" on. A documentary about a local "pond" that is a world class birding location. I use M43 and now have all of the lenses and capabilities that I need to do a multi-year project including everything from macro to super telephoto perspective as well as 60 FPS 4k and 180 FPS 1080P. I may end up finally buying a few add ins (Vegasaur and one or 2 others, all though the stabilization in Vegas is now really good, I do have and use Mercalli PRO v4) but for my specific needs Vegas PRO 16 is actually a dream. Yep, I am a fan boy because after 50 years of using everything (including back in the day renting large production studios and using large tape studio cameras and giant control rooms) I greatly appreciate the production tool that VP 16 is.

So this is not a thread about being a VP fan boy, but tells us how you us VP and why it is your goto NLE tool of choice, being a hobbyist or PRO.

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TheRhino wrote on 5/31/2019, 11:54 AM

I've been using Vegas since 3.0 first as a hobbyist, then full-time, and now for a part-time family business where I do most of the NLE stuff... (Part-time = stricter budget...) I typically do not use the latest version for paid work until the bugs are worked-out 6+ months after release... Therefore lately I have waited to upgrade until I can get the next, soon-to-be-released version (like 17) thrown-in as a free upgrade when I buy the current release...

However, Magix are you listening..., if the new release has a significant improvement, I have upgraded sooner. For instance, I upgraded pretty quick the first year GPU rendering was possible (V11?)… Right now I have V10, V12 and V15 installed on my workstations. I like the default color wheel layout in V10, so sometimes make my 1080p color corrections in V10 before moving the project to V15. V12 has been the most stable for me... If I get wacky footage that causes the others to crash, I load it into V12 and render it to another format...

I have to keep Adobe & FCP for collaborative projects but use Vegas for work that is quoted by the job. I am MUCH faster/better using Vegas partly because of the interface & partly because of my experience using Vegas. I deeply appreciate Magix picking this program up once Sony dropped it... Some dropped programs turn into junk but Magix is doing a good job even though I am sure they do not have the same budget as Sony...

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john_dennis wrote on 5/31/2019, 12:09 PM

I'm a hobbyist, but I take it seriously from a personal and intellectual point of view. I was recently pressed into shooting, editing and delivering Blu-ray, DVD and media on USB flash discs for two stage plays. I had the buyers make the checks out to Habitat for Humanity to protect my amateur status. It's all a big time and money waster to me.

I currently start all of my projects in Vegas Pro 13-453. Since I also have 14 and 15, I cherry-pick any unique options found in the newer versions like AMD VCE hardware rendering in 15. Once I bought new releases as they came out and worked on early-life bugs, but I've grown weary of that effort after retiring from 39 years in the computer industry.

I intend to buy every Vegas Pro version on the trailing edge.

aboammar wrote on 5/31/2019, 1:00 PM

I am both a hobbyist and a PRO. I started using Vegas with its first version when it was only a DAW and upgraded to every new version, except version 14 which I skipped mainly because of the stupid and ugly looking B&W icons.

 

So is Vegas Pro 16 is perfect? Definitely not, and the room for improvements and introducing new features is huge, that is why I will always keep upgrading.

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Dimitrios wrote on 5/31/2019, 4:04 PM

It's always nice to have the latest and greatest but it's definitely not necessary even if you are a pro. I'm trying to get to the point that I can live off doing this stuff but it's a slog to be sure. Even so I used Pro 12 up to Pro 16. In regards to going with platinum. Honestly platinum is ridiculously good for the price, I'm really kind of shocked of how much it can do. It went from only allowing 4 tracks, to 10, to 20(i think) and now I think it's 200 a strange number to even have. I have never used that many tracks, I haven't even used 50, the only reason they don't just make it unlimited I imagine is so they can still write unlimited tracks under the pro column as if there is any real difference at this point. It wen't from having no masking and having to make do with the cookie cutter to having bezier masking which granted isn't quite the same thing as what pro can do but now you can mask out any shape you want on platinum. For me I need the compositing modes, if you produce anything for broadcast you need the scopes, but really if you don't need the scopes platinum is almost as good as pro, I think it's maybe even too close.

vkmast wrote on 5/31/2019, 4:38 PM

the only reason they don't just make it [MS Platinum] unlimited I imagine is so they can still write unlimited tracks under the pro column as if there is any real difference at this point

From the patch notes for Vegas Movie Studio 15 Platinum Update 2 (build 146): "The user can now add an unlimited number of video and audio tracks." I haven't tested that though.

Dimitrios wrote on 5/31/2019, 9:58 PM

the only reason they don't just make it [MS Platinum] unlimited I imagine is so they can still write unlimited tracks under the pro column as if there is any real difference at this point

From the patch notes for Vegas Movie Studio 15 Platinum Update 2 (build 146): "The user can now add an unlimited number of video and audio tracks." I haven't tested that though.

The product comparison had movie studio at 10 and platinum at 200, so who knows.

bitman wrote on 6/1/2019, 2:38 AM

At least skipping versions is something you can do if the NLE is not subscription based !

That said new versions do come with improvements and new features. The new feature list may not always be what you want as you may already have invested in a similar alternatives or plugins before (e.g. Mercalli pro V4), but that is not uncommon. To take the analogy for a car purchase, some car brands allow for detailed customization, other car brands only offer categories or packs which do contain stuff you want, but also contains stuff you could not care less for (or do not like to pay for).

In the ideal world if you could cherry-pick the features with Vegas (and pay accordingly), then I am sure you will end up paying less. I have a lot of functionality overlap in plugins and scripts.

I remember I was thrilled to have nvenc finally supported (was it in V15?), and the more modern UI color scheme, and for V16 the storyboard (was disappointed at first as it was very buggy before they fixed it) and I also liked the better high DPI support for monitors (albeit it is still indicated as experimental, come on guys, finish the experiment!) …

What I do not like on V16 is that it renders significantly slower than V15 on the same project and source on the my PC ("red car" project render using nvenc, V16: 26s, V15: 20s). Not sure if I need to submit a bug request for that, given the fact V16 has more features that may slow it down...

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3d87c4 wrote on 6/1/2019, 12:32 PM

No. I have had lots of problems with the Magix releases---14 through 16---so Sony V13 is where I do most of my editing.

wayne-severson wrote on 6/1/2019, 1:44 PM

I'm on 14 still, largley because I felt my computer couldn't handle the new features. Now I've just purchased a new computer. I've been on the fence with 16, but likely will hold out to see what 17 brings.

RogerS wrote on 6/1/2019, 9:32 PM

I was on 12 for years but will be going from 16 to 17 as Vegas is finally stable and caught up in terms of features, and I feel making strides towards becoming more efficient and easy to use with each version. I'm hoping for a GPU performance boost too.

fifonik wrote on 6/2/2019, 6:14 PM

> Is Vegas getting so good that you might skip the next version?

That question sounds very strange for me.

I'm skipping some versions not because the version I use is "so good", but because there is nothing in the new version that is really important for me.

I skipped VP14 and VP16 for the reason. Upgraded to VP15 mostly because of Color Match plugin.

As I do not know what would be new in VP17 I do not know if I skip it or not. I'll definitely buy it if they allow me to use x264 as encoder (in mp4 container) or mkv as source for example.

In any case, I will not buy the new version straight away as from my previous experience a few patches needed till most critical bugs will be fixed. My upgrade from VP13 to VP15 was painful as I could not use VP15 for 6 month because of some issues.

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aboammar wrote on 6/2/2019, 11:22 PM

Even if the new features does not interest me, I still like to upgrade just to support the development of Vegas Pro, considering nothing bother me in the new version like what happened in version 14.

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ritsmer wrote on 6/3/2019, 11:11 AM

Another just-hobbyist here.

I have purchased each and every version since 3.0 too - and also in order to support Vegas Pro.

D7K wrote on 6/4/2019, 10:20 AM

I should have said I used Movie Studio for a long time, but I couldn't resist when 14 came out and went for it. I'll probably upgrade to 17 also, but I know it is not a rational move except to support the software for me where as I could use a fee of the plugins . I don't think I will go beyond 4K for quite a while (just bought a new camera that can do limited 6K and don't expect to buy another camera for 3 or 4 years.

Widetrack wrote on 8/5/2019, 7:44 PM

I was on 12 for years but will be going from 16 to 17 as Vegas is finally stable and caught up in terms of features, and I feel making strides towards becoming more efficient and easy to use with each version. I'm hoping for a GPU performance boost too.


Roger: Which build of VP 16 do you find the most stable?

 

fr0sty wrote on 8/5/2019, 9:00 PM

Strictly Pro here... and I've been editing on Vegas since 2004. I use Vegas to edit productions for many of the world's biggest concerts and music festivals, and because they always want the bleeding edge (4K, HDR, etc), I'm always ready to upgrade to the new features when they drop. I only upgrade if there's something that the new features can do for me, though. Thankfully, Vegas 17's features help everyone, even the hobbyists. The color grading is a game changer, especially with the LUT export. I can now ask my project lead to send me a 5 second snippet of each scene in the highlight video he is editing for an event as an ungraded ProRes file, I will then color grade it and send him back a series of LUTs for each scene that is only a few kb in size. even though he is on final cut pro, the luts work flawlessly, and the "round trip" only involves uploading a GB or two at the most of video to color the full production. The new tools are also far more accurate, the color wheels are bigger and do more, can be fine tuned more, and the exposure slider also drastically helps, the color curves have been overhauled and now properly work with HDR... I could fill a page with reasons why 17 is a game changer for me as a pro, and I think that even you hobbyists will enjoy what it brings to the table as far as ease of use and pro features goes, again, especially for coloring.

marc-s wrote on 8/5/2019, 9:53 PM

Definitely not... Vegas used to be ahead in many ways but it has fallen way behind in recent years. The new features are a very nice step but I suspect the GPU acceleration is still lacking. If I were on the team I would concentrate on getting everything bug free and all of the features refined to top functionality. Then I would tackle the pathetic title features once and for all and improve the media management dramatically. Then make everything fast... really fast (playback, rendering etc.)

Kinvermark wrote on 8/5/2019, 9:57 PM

+1 (to frosty's post) This a big version, with big features. Not a matter of if, but when, I will upgrade - too many features that will really speed things up for me.

I have only done preliminary testing, but so far no crashes and no obvious glitches. Great job team Vegas!

fr0sty wrote on 8/5/2019, 10:14 PM

" I suspect the GPU acceleration is still lacking"

Rather than suspect it, why not try it and find out? Vegas is ahead of other NLEs as far as GPU support goes, as many NLEs do not support AMD cards at all for many tasks. Adobe, for instance, wants to force everyone onto Nvidia hardware. I don't think Resolve supports AMD for everything either.

Kinvermark wrote on 8/5/2019, 10:28 PM

Resolve is very GPU centric, but that isn't the real reason it appears faster. CACHING is.

fifonik wrote on 8/5/2019, 10:33 PM

With the list changes I'm definitely going to upgrade from VP15 to VP17. For me the main question is WHEN, not IF.

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fr0sty wrote on 8/5/2019, 10:36 PM

I've successfully edited a full 5 camera 4k multicam 2.5 hour long concert project using Vegas 17. It crashed WAY less often than 16 would have for the duration of the project, and when it did crash it was a third party app to blame.

marc-s wrote on 8/6/2019, 1:40 AM

I believe it's been made clear in other posts that the acceleration in Vegas does not support XAVC. That is what I film to and Resolve supports it well. Still seems to be a half done job in Vegas.

fr0sty wrote on 8/6/2019, 2:09 AM

Resolve doesn't use hardware decoding to decode XAVC. Vegas is using the NVDec decoder chip on Nvidia GPUs to decode the video, and NVDec is only capable of AVC and HEVC.