Movie Studio 15 super slow when trimming 4k60 from GoPro7

ectarmedia wrote on 4/23/2019, 7:29 PM

It renders like 5 second per frame in Trimmer !!!!!
Timeline Preview in Half quality is great but I cannot drop the quality of video in Trimmer !

This is totally unusable in any way! Any ideas how can I improve this?

Playback is fine using MPC-HC( x64 ) KliteCodec Pack
WMP renders it like 30fps.

Windows 7, 16G DDR3, i7 4790, Radeon RX 580 8G, 1TBSSD
WMS 15 Platinum, Build 157

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j-v wrote on 4/23/2019, 10:45 PM

It makes a big difference if you use AVC and not the default HEVC settings in the GOPro 7.
And using a player is a total different job for a computer than editing in a video editor.

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3POINT wrote on 4/24/2019, 6:35 AM

4k60 GoproHero7 is HEVC/H.265 encoded only, it needs a super fast PC to trim those files. Use the automatic proxy file creation of VMS15 to edit that footage.

Remember: playback with a player is something else than editing in an NLE.

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ectarmedia wrote on 4/24/2019, 1:29 PM

Thank you for answers guys!

It is clear to me that Playback and NLE is different, but Trimmer is essentially doing playback and marking frames. Not sure why it has to be that slow. ( unless all frames have to be decoded and readily available for trimmer in real time )

@3POINT VMS15 took 2 hours to do some cashing/building on those HEVC files, is that what you referring to ? And it still did not help my original problem: playback in Preview is fine, but Trimmer is crazy slideshow.

vkmast wrote on 4/24/2019, 1:45 PM

Do a Search "Klite codec pack" on this forum to see the caveats. Before that though, read point 12 (Codec packs) and the later comments on them here https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-why-won-t-vegas-open-my-file-correctly-codecs-converters-etc--104572/

ectarmedia wrote on 4/24/2019, 2:09 PM

@vkmast Oh wow! Good to know, well I probably SOL right now as I wont be able to revert this. But before I installed KLiteCodekPack it had ( and still have ) similar problem but with iPhone 8+ 4K60 HEVC footage...

3POINT wrote on 4/24/2019, 2:54 PM

VMS15 took 2 hours to do some cashing/building on those HEVC files, is that what you referring to ? And it still did not help my original problem: playback in Preview is fine, but Trimmer is crazy slideshow.

Unfortunately, the trimmer uses the original file for preview instead of the created proxy file, which is used for timeline preview. The only solution I know to overcome this is to do the trimming directly on the timeline. This is as accurate as trimming in the trimmer.

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ectarmedia wrote on 4/24/2019, 3:33 PM

@3POINT Got it, thank you.

Or I can transcode all stock footage into something more digestible... what would you recommend ? Would be nice to use codec that can utilize GPU. I usually use Handbrake for batch operations and it has AMD VCE support ! But encoding HEVC into AVC - not sure if that is great idea, unless there are some good setting to preserve as much details as possible ( or whatever left of them... )

3POINT wrote on 4/24/2019, 3:58 PM

I prefer to work with proxies, because for the final rendering the original HEVC files are used. For 4k editing I don't need a 4k preview. Whe you use AVC intermediates, like from Handbrake, than you have already a second generation.

I have a similar PC as you have, I have also a Hero7 and a Osmo Pocket. The Hero7 uses HEVC, not editable without proxies on my PC. The Osmo uses AVC and is pretty editable on my PC. I prefer AVC above HEVC as recording format.

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ectarmedia wrote on 7/9/2019, 8:41 AM

But I'm curious if it possible to reduce quality of rendering in Trimmer, It can playback OK in Timeline with lower quality ! But in Trimmer it is slideshow.Today I 'm using 1440p30 and it still slideshow ! I expected it to be a bit better but it seems It is even worse ! Weird.

Anyways curious if there is a way to reduce quality in trimmer as I believe it does not have to be 100%

j-v wrote on 7/9/2019, 10:22 AM

Anyways curious if there is a way to reduce quality in trimmer as I believe it does not have to be 100%

Not possible, but what is so difficult on splitting, trimming aso on the timeline.
I have and shall never use the trimmer.
That is a option of the old days when trimming on the timeline was difficult or impossible for the than used hardware.
Vegas is well known because of the early opportunities to do all of the trimming and editting on the timeline.

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Musicvid wrote on 7/9/2019, 1:04 PM

Or I can transcode all stock footage into something more digestible... what would you recommend ? Would be nice to use codec that can utilize GPU. I usually use Handbrake for batch operations and it has AMD VCE support ! But encoding HEVC into AVC - not sure if that is great idea, unless there are some good setting to preserve as much details as possible ( or whatever left of them... )

"Codec that can utilize GPU" and "good setting to preserve as much details as possible" are necessarily separate, divergent goals. If you need both, there will be a tradeoff.

You are looking for a software intraframe intermediate if you want to preserve original GoPro quality. Here's a recent comparison. Magic and UT RGB are popular choices, but bigger. UT 422 is lightweight, and I use it a lot.