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Grazie wrote on 5/8/2019, 11:08 AM

@redpaw - Read the specs and my GPU rig can't handle the new features. It's on the edge with NV4. But thanks for the heads on this one.

karma17 wrote on 5/10/2019, 3:22 AM

Yes, thanks for sharing this.

karma17 wrote on 5/10/2019, 3:30 AM

The upgrade is $69 for V5 for Vegas.

Deata wrote on 5/10/2019, 3:47 AM

Upgraded and definetly feels alot faster, 1080p footage with heavy noise reduction,filtering and sharpening i got 32fps on a 1080ti as compared to v4 which was only netting around 18-22fps.

 

fifonik wrote on 5/10/2019, 6:41 AM

Also upgraded. Nice changes that helps to build good noise profile faster and adjust settings (for example specify correct amount of VRAM for NeatVideo). I like it.

With "default" sets of features v5 is about as fast as v4 with "default" sets of features. However, in v5 more features are enabled by default (=better results), including very low frequency filters that is quite resource expensive. With the same features used it is noticeably faster.

So far so good.

P.S. The only bad thing -- I will need to adjust my NeatVideo speed database as with very low frequency enabled (that is default) it is not accepting results.

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Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

Dexcon wrote on 5/10/2019, 7:43 AM

So many rave about Neat Video, but I'd really like to know how it compares in practice to BCC Noise Reduction. Is there an appreciable difference between the two plugins that would make Neat Video a significant step above BCC?

Any opinions will be much appreciated.

fifonik wrote on 5/11/2019, 8:09 PM

You can download demo version and test it yourself (check the demo's limitation here). Unfortunately, this will require quite a bit of reading about NeatVideo as the process is more complicated than pressing a couple of buttons.

I cannot compare NeatVideo with the BCC plugin you mentioned as I do not have the later one. If you share small footage I can process it for you with NeatVideo using settings I'm typically applying.

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Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

Dexcon wrote on 5/12/2019, 5:42 AM

@fifonik ... I downloaded a trial after watching some of Neat Video's tutorials and then tested. Wow! It's way better than I expected. When comparing NV with BCC NR, BCC definitely improved the image but didn't quite achieve the result obtainable from NV.

Thank you for your offer to process a bit of footage for me, but the trial has without question convinced me. The Neat Video customer-base is about to increase by one.

Nick Hope wrote on 5/12/2019, 7:16 AM

Anyone evaluating this might also consider trying noise reduction using MDegrain (an AviSynth plugin), which is available for Vegas in Happy Otter Scripts via its AviDub (demo) or RenderPlus scripts. Works well for me.

fr0sty wrote on 5/12/2019, 2:01 PM

@redpaw - Read the specs and my GPU rig can't handle the new features. It's on the edge with NV4. But thanks for the heads on this one.

You're 6 generations behind on that GPU, I'd expect to see this happen a lot more often in the near future. Might be time to consider an upgrade.

karma17 wrote on 5/12/2019, 8:36 PM

For the longest time, I had heard of NV and didn't know what to make of it. But finally had some low light footage I needed to use and it was very grainy. I couldn't believe how well it cleaned things up but it did take a lot of time to render. I guess some of the improvement now is faster processing, which was the only downside I ever saw to NV. I will have to ck out MDegrain too. Resolve comes with NR too, but I like being able to do the NR inside Vegas.

fr0sty wrote on 5/12/2019, 9:55 PM

It also now does flicker reduction, which could help me a lot depending on how good it is. Sometimes the shows I film have light rigs with cheap LEDs, and i have to deflicker my timelapses in another app as well. 180fps slomo is another big candidate for deflicker.

Grazie wrote on 5/12/2019, 11:23 PM

Might be time to consider an upgrade.

@fr0sty - “Consider” - Oh yes indeed. But not being a PC Builder, I rely on others to do the “do”. That nVidia Card has been remarkably adaptable to previously demanding s/w, and has held up when more recent cards hadn’t. And as business and my own “comfortable” lethargy gets in the way, in the meantime the months/years tick away. I’ve been researching hereabouts for the 2019 PC-Rig sweet-spot for Vegas Pro and haven’t yet been convinced by reading of one, nor MAGIX providing a definitive nod. But, in fairness to the OP, regarding NV, this is for another thread. And yes, @fr0sty, I’m well aware and thanks for the well intended nudge.

mintyslippers wrote on 5/13/2019, 11:52 AM

It depends on what footage you are working with, what plugins and what mood vegas is in as to which build is best. Some tests my super dupa Nvidia RTX 2060 tears through the render. In some, my wifes old AMD R7 250x (which is 5 years old) does better.

fr0sty wrote on 5/13/2019, 11:56 AM

The tests that require more noise reduction probably work better on the nvidia card, and the ones that require more render performance from Vegas itself (better timeline decoding, etc) are probably the cases you are noticing running better on the AMD card. I know Neat Video is very well tuned towards GPU support, and even comes with a handy tool that runs tests on your system to determine the proper number of CPU cores and GPU support/VRAM usage etc that you need to get the most out of NV.

frankp wrote on 5/13/2019, 12:40 PM

Wow! Just ran NeatBench to compare v5 vs v4.8.6 and the results at least doubled when using GPU only (RX Vega 64).

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K @3.6 GHz

Vegas Pro 15 (build 416)

 

Version: 4.8.6 / Frame Size: 1080p / Bitdepth: 32 bits / Quality Mode: Normal

GPU only (Radeon RX Vega 64): 13.7 frames/sec

CPU + GPU: 18.5 frames/sec

Version: 5 / Frame Size: 1080p / Bitdepth: 32 bits / Quality Mode: Normal

GPU only (Radeon RX Vega 64): 29.2 frames/sec

CPU + GPU: 23.2 frames/sec

and here's my results for 4K...

Version: 4.8.6 / Frame Size: 2160p / Bitdepth: 32 bits / Quality Mode: Normal

GPU only (Radeon RX Vega 64): 4.13 frames/sec

CPU + GPU: 5.05 frames/sec

Version: 5 / Frame Size: 2160p / Bitdepth: 32 bits / Quality Mode: Normal

GPU only (Radeon RX Vega 64): 8.61 frames/sec

CPU + GPU: 7.1 frames/sec

 

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Magix Vegas Pro 15 (build 416)

OS: Windows 10 Pro 64

CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K Coffee Lake 8-Core 3.6 GHz LGA 1151 

Cooler: Noctua NH-L9x65

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Designare

RAM: Ballistix Sport LT 32GB DDR4 2400 MT/s

GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB

Capture Card: Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4K

PSU: Corsair RMx Series 850W

Boot Drive: Samsung 970 EVO NVMe 2TB

Data Drives: Toshiba X300 5TB 7200 RPM (x4)

RAID: G-Technology G-RAID with Thunderbolt 3 and Blackjet VX-2SSD USB 3.1 10Gbps USB Type-C

Case: iStarUSA D400 Black

Monitor: LG 32UD59-B 32" 3840x2160 Ultra HD 4K

OldSmoke wrote on 5/13/2019, 3:15 PM

The tests that require more noise reduction probably work better on the nvidia card

Why?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

fifonik wrote on 5/13/2019, 4:41 PM

You can try to use Neat Video results database (small web app I created some time ago) to compare NeatVideo processing speed for different GPUs.

Unfortunately, not many people added results to the database so many modern GPUs are not there yet (I still believe that this is better than nothing). Also, as v5 defaults are changed, I will need to fix something in the database :)

@frankp it is interesting that in your case for v5 GPU only is faster than GPU+CPU

frankp wrote on 5/13/2019, 4:54 PM

@frankp it is interesting that in your case for v5 GPU only is faster than GPU+CPU

Yes it is. Not sure why, maybe it's because I'm still on v15 (build 416)? I'm gonna test it out in Virtualdub2 if it makes a difference. I added my 1080p results in your database. It won't accept 4k log results btw.

Magix Vegas Pro 15 (build 416)

OS: Windows 10 Pro 64

CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K Coffee Lake 8-Core 3.6 GHz LGA 1151 

Cooler: Noctua NH-L9x65

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Designare

RAM: Ballistix Sport LT 32GB DDR4 2400 MT/s

GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB

Capture Card: Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4K

PSU: Corsair RMx Series 850W

Boot Drive: Samsung 970 EVO NVMe 2TB

Data Drives: Toshiba X300 5TB 7200 RPM (x4)

RAID: G-Technology G-RAID with Thunderbolt 3 and Blackjet VX-2SSD USB 3.1 10Gbps USB Type-C

Case: iStarUSA D400 Black

Monitor: LG 32UD59-B 32" 3840x2160 Ultra HD 4K

fifonik wrote on 5/14/2019, 10:42 PM

. It won't accept 4k log results btw.

I've added the frame size so it is accepted now.

OldSmoke wrote on 5/15/2019, 5:33 AM

You can try to use Neat Video results database (small web app I created some time ago) to compare NeatVideo processing speed for different GPUs.

Unfortunately, not many people added results to the database so many modern GPUs are not there yet (I still believe that this is better than nothing). Also, as v5 defaults are changed, I will need to fix something in the database :)

@frankp it is interesting that in your case for v5 GPU only is faster than GPU+CPU

I just submitted mine and my GPU only is also faster. It seems NV5 is more GPU oriented.

 

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Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

mintyslippers wrote on 5/15/2019, 7:10 AM

Added mine.

Not much for me to upgrade as NV 4.8.5 = 25.6 FPS using CPU and GPU

NV 5 = 25.6 FPS using GPU only

Hold up. Neat bench is using 32bit rather than 8 for its test.

JN_ wrote on 5/15/2019, 8:49 AM

Using Neatbench 5 benchmark ... https://www.neatvideo.com/download/neatbench

Acer Laptop, GTX 1070 … Best combination: GPU only (GeForce GTX 1070): 18.4 frames/sec

PC, MSI GTX 1080 … Best combination: GPU only (GeForce GTX 1080): 22 frames/sec

PC, RTX 2080 Ti … Best combination: GPU only (GeForce RTX 2080 Ti): 37.8 frames/sec

 

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver 25.21.14.1967

Intel Graphics driver 26.20.100.6709

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, driver is 4.1967

fr0sty wrote on 5/15/2019, 2:00 PM

Tried using Neatbench, but it wouldn't use Radeon 7 GPU.

OpenCL driver version: 2841.5
OpenCL initialized successfully.
Checking OpenCL GPU #1:
GPU device name is: AMD Radeon VII (gfx906)
16192 MB total (16128 MB available during initialization)
No binary found for this device
Check failed - will not use the device

CPU Only (Ryzen 7 1800x stock)

1 core: 2.14 frames/sec
2 cores: 4.65 frames/sec
3 cores: 5.39 frames/sec
4 cores: 6.84 frames/sec
5 cores: 9.71 frames/sec
6 cores: 10.4 frames/sec
7 cores: 9.93 frames/sec
8 cores: 9.77 frames/sec
9 cores: 9.44 frames/sec
10 cores: 8.49 frames/sec
11 cores: 7.73 frames/sec
12 cores: 7.64 frames/sec
13 cores: 7.02 frames/sec
14 cores: 6.69 frames/sec
15 cores: 6.38 frames/sec
16 cores: 6.08 frames/sec

Best combination: 6 cores: 10.4 frames/sec