Need just a little more compression....

GarySheehan wrote on 8/7/2003, 3:38 PM
Hey everyone,

I'm fairly new to video rendering and I've been doing a little reading around the forums. I've got an issue where I need to shave off about 50Mb off a 744Mb movie in order to fit on CD.

It comes out to 744Mb using wmv8 encoder that comes with VideoFactory 2.0. I've tried using the PlugIn Pac Frameserver software and wme9 to reduce the file size, but it keeps crashing about half way through the first pass.

Is there any way I can use an encoder that will compress this movie just a bit more?

Thanks!

Gary

Comments

miketree wrote on 8/8/2003, 2:44 AM
You could try divx - That has a good compression ratio
IanG wrote on 8/8/2003, 7:15 AM
It's probably too soon, but you could have a look at xvid.

Ian G.
Steve Grisetti wrote on 8/8/2003, 8:03 AM

Another option, if you are using XP, is to download Microsoft's free Movie Maker 2.

Though it's not the powerhouse Video Factory is, it's a very good video editor.

Export your movie as a DV-AVI from Video Factory. Then import the AVI into Movie Maker.

One of the nice features in Movie Maker is that, when you export your video to a WMV file, you can designate how large you want the file to be and the program will squeeze it down as small as you want it. This is great for getting that file size down so that you can post it on a web site with, say, a 10 meg limit.
GarySheehan wrote on 8/11/2003, 3:33 PM
I believe I tried this, but for some reason the audio didn't come through when I played the AVI in MovieMaker. I can try it again.

Thanks!

Gary
GarySheehan wrote on 8/11/2003, 3:35 PM
This is a bit embarassing. I downloaded the free DIVX encoder and player and installed it, but I can't find the encoder on my machine! I can see the player and the encoder config settings, but I don't see an encoder program to run. Am I being dense?

Thanks,

Gary
discdude wrote on 8/11/2003, 4:45 PM
You can't find what isn't there. The free version of DivX doesn't come with the standalone "Dr. Divx" encoder.

However, you can use Video Factory to encode to DivX instead.

Click on:
1) Make Video
2) Write your Movie to Disk
3) Advanced Render
4) Select "Video for Windows (*.avi) from the "Save as" dropdown box.
5) Custom button
6) "Video" Tab at the bottom of the dialog box
7) Select "DivX 5.05" from the "Video Format" dropdown box.

Obviously, there are a lot of other things to adjust as well but this will get you started.
IanG wrote on 8/11/2003, 4:50 PM
>Am I being dense?
No more so than the rest of us!

Try make move/write your move to file , select video for windows as the format and click on advanced render. Select video for windows (again!) as "the save as type" and click on custom. Select the video tab at the bottom and you'll see the option of selecting the video format. Finally, you get to select the DivX codec.


Ian G.
GarySheehan wrote on 8/11/2003, 5:15 PM
Thanks! I'll try it tonight.

Gary
miketree wrote on 8/12/2003, 4:16 AM
I haven't tried this but you might like to take a look at this

http://www.dvdrhelp.com/tools.php?tool=356#comments
GarySheehan wrote on 8/12/2003, 11:24 AM
It worked! I'm a bit disappointed in the quality though. The file size is half of wme8, but the quality is noticably lower. Is it because I'm using the free version of DIVX? I set quality on best as well.

Thanks,

Gary
Chienworks wrote on 8/12/2003, 12:28 PM
All things considered, most compression codecs these days produce pretty similar results when compressing given material to similar file sizes. If you compress to a smaller file size you'll get lower quality. This is going to be true no matter what format or codec you choose. Your statement "the file size is half of ..." should clue you in that you'll probably only have half the quality.
GarySheehan wrote on 8/12/2003, 12:34 PM
Chienworks,

I guess I understand that. I had heard that DIVX quality was excellent. Heving encoded with DIVX using it's highest quality setting, I was expecting a larger file size (hoping for just slightly smaller than a wme8 encoding).

Are there other settings other than "Best" when encoding with DIVX that will give me a larger size and better quality.

I really don't want to render to a super-large AVI file just to load into MovieMaker to get to wme9.

Gary
Steve Grisetti wrote on 8/12/2003, 2:35 PM

Since you don't want to make a big AVI and import it into Movie Maker 2, you could always just open up your WMA 8 file in Movie Maker 2 (it should be able to read it) and make a WMA 9 file out of that!

I'm a big fan of using the best tools and the simplest solution.
GarySheehan wrote on 8/12/2003, 4:29 PM
I just found the "Configure" button under custom settings. The default I was using was 780kbps. I'm going to go find that file-size calculator and set the bitrate to the highest I can while fitting on a CD and see how that works. I'm guessing I can go at least 2x 780kbps and still fit on a CD.

If that doesn't work, I'll try FrameServer again with everything else turned off. If that fails, I'll run my wmv file through Movie Maker as you suggested.

Thanks!

Gary