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mhammann57 wrote on 3/6/2022, 6:57 PM

I would like advice on a CPU and Video card for Vegas Pro 18. For the two items I have a budget of about $600 or $700. Not sure how to split that between a CPU & video card or if I should put it all into a CPU with integrated graphics. My projects are very basic with 50 - 100 clips with simple transitions and a few audio tracks. Currently my i7-3770 without a dedicated graphics card takes 8-10 hours to render a 45 minute video in 2K. (Using Movie Studio 16) Would like to get that down as much as possible and maybe graduate to 4K. Thanks! Mark

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Former user wrote on 3/6/2022, 8:18 PM

@mhammann57 Hi, i'm sure someone will give you more advise but there's a benchmark test you could try & there's other's results showing their CPU & GPU with render times, you'd have to Google & see what you can afford,

Why Vegas 18 & not the latest Vegas 19?

This is the Benchmark test

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/benchmarking-results-continued--118503/

This link is on the post that the link above takes you to but you can just have a look at this

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b3ggVifKsuT-cp2kQHjum_KnQ4-2jBmUIvzmu7BQZ34/edit#gid=699797034

RogerS wrote on 3/6/2022, 8:40 PM

Here's a benchmark comparing a few modern systems with Vegas Pro 18:
https://techgage.com/article/magix-vegas-pro-18-processor-graphics-card-performance/

If that's your total budget you might have better luck with a refurb or slightly older computer model? It would be best to have integrated graphics and a dedicated GPU (if it's a desktop you can add the GPU later as budget allows).

Dexcon wrote on 3/6/2022, 9:27 PM

To replace the I7-3770 (released almost 10 years ago) with a newer CPU, you're going to need to get a CPU with the same socket type as the i7-3770. According to Intel's specs for the i7-3770:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/65719/intel-core-i73770-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz.html

... the socket type is LGA 1155.

Both https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155 and https://www.cpu-list.com/lga1155-cpu-list/ show that your current 3rd gen i7-3770 is the end of the line for that socket type. This means that it most unlikely that a later generation Intel CPU will be compatible with your computer (unless someone knows of a workaround).

Re a GPU, there have been many comments on the forum over recent months frustrated by the extraordinarily high price of GPUs these days. If you do a GPU search on a website like Amazon, you'll get an idea of those prices and see that many of the 'budget' GPUs will eat up all or most of your budget. Some popular GPUs, especially the 3070 range, are in the $1,000 to $3,000 USD range.

Vegas Pro 18 has the same recommended minimum specifications as the current Vegas Pro 19 (as far as I recall): https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/specifications/#productMenu so probably your best approach is to look at buying a new or secondhand computer. And please take note in the Vegas Pro specifications that 4K has higher recommended minimum specifications than are needed for HD.

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Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 8 Black

Installed: Vegas Pro 16 Edit, Vegas Pro 17 Edit, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 19 Edit, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, BCC 2022, Mocha Pro 2022, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Sound Forge Pro 15, SpectraLayers Pro 8, iZotope RX9 Advanced

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD

D drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

E & F drives: 2 x 2TB Barracuda HDDs 2.5"

 

Former user wrote on 3/6/2022, 10:02 PM

Just had a look at the price of PC's, the 'Home' Pc's all have Intel UHD,

Intel Core i7 11700 2.5GHz 16GB RAM £845, for anything with a decent CPU & graphcs card you'd need a good budget 😮

https://www.cclonline.com/pc/

 

 

TheRhino wrote on 3/7/2022, 7:00 PM

I would like advice on a CPU and Video card for Vegas Pro 18. For the two items I have a budget of about $600 or $700. Not sure how to split that between a CPU & video card or if I should put it all into a CPU with integrated graphics..

Using my existing tower case, power supply, CPU cooler, SSD hard drives, etc. I upgraded one of my 10 year-old I7-980X workstations for <$700 USD:

  • I7-11700K ($350 Micro Center - they are selling the 11900K for $350 right now...)
  • ASRock W480 workstation-class motherboard ($200 NewEgg sale)
    NOTE - the CPU & motherboard must match - in this case they are both Socket 1200
  • 32 GB DDR4 ($100)
  • Socket 1200 adapter for my 10 year-old Noctua CPU cooler ($8 Amazon)

This would run off of the internal iGPU until GPU prices drop some more... However, in my case I had a $200 VEGA 56 purchased on eBay before the mining craze making my total upgrade around $850 USD. (I also borrowed the DDR4 from another system until I could find 32 GB of DDR4 for $100...)

The ASRock W480 does NOT overclock, as it is intended as a stable workstation platform, but it DOES have built-in 10G networking and (2) Thunderbolt 3 ports so I did not have to buy any add-on cards. Although my other 9900K system has (4) 2TB M.2 drives onboard, this 11700K system is truly a budget build so I am using a used $75 LGI PCIe RAID controller with (8) old SATA drives to provide fast/roomy storage until the price of larger M.2 storage drops.

This upgrade doubled my 4K render speeds for most intermediate codecs I use but you still need a decent PCIe GPU to maximize GPU-assisted codecs like the Magic AVC, HEVC, etc. codecs...

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Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

RogerS wrote on 3/7/2022, 8:32 PM

Modern Intel CPUs have the iGPU as part of the CPU die, not on the motherboard (though of course the CPU is on the motherboard through a socket)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Graphics_Technology

Before the introduction of Intel HD Graphics, Intel integrated graphics were built into the motherboard's northbridge, as part of the Intel's Hub Architecture. They were known as Intel Extreme Graphics and Intel GMA. As part of the Platform Controller Hub (PCH) design, the northbridge was eliminated and graphics processing was moved to the same die as the central processing unit (CPU).

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it also appears to be on-die for Ryzen mobile with Radeon Graphics.

Dexcon wrote on 3/7/2022, 8:43 PM

Many thanks @RogerS for clarifying the iGPU/CPU issue. In view of that, I've removed the iGPU/CPU comment from my earlier post.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 8 Black

Installed: Vegas Pro 16 Edit, Vegas Pro 17 Edit, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 19 Edit, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, BCC 2022, Mocha Pro 2022, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Sound Forge Pro 15, SpectraLayers Pro 8, iZotope RX9 Advanced

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD

D drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

E & F drives: 2 x 2TB Barracuda HDDs 2.5"

 

mhammann57 wrote on 3/8/2022, 12:27 PM

Thank you to everyone who replied. Your time and effort to provide advice is greatly appreciated and exactly what I was hoping for. I suppose that I will go with a CPU with integrated graphics and wait until I can afford a decent GPU. As long as it decreases my render times so that I'm not waiting all night for it to finish. I think the i7-11700K with intel UHD graphics should make that possible. Thank you also for the advice on motherboard, memory, etc. This forum and those who contribute is a great help to those like me who don't do this for a living. Thank you again very much!!! PS: Gid - Waiting until budget allows the upgrade to 19. TheRhino - great information on components! RogerS - Going to check out Ryzen on die graphics. Dexcon - Agree - decent GPU out of my budget so, best to wait.

RogerS wrote on 3/8/2022, 9:34 PM

If you aren't going to have a dedicated GPU I'd suggest Intel for its QSV decoding and encoding as it seems to be the most compatible in Vegas. QSV renders are also quite fast.

The Ryzen Radeon graphics seems to be [edit: mostly] for their laptops.

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Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700 with Intel 630 iGPU (driver 27.20.100.9664), dual internal SSD (256GB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

Vegas 19.636

mhammann57 wrote on 3/11/2022, 3:39 PM

Thank you RogerS. Definitely want to try the QSV rendering on my next project. Appreciate the advice! Mark

todd-b wrote on 3/11/2022, 6:18 PM

I suppose that I will go with a CPU with integrated graphics and wait until I can afford a decent GPU. As long as it decreases my render times so that I'm not waiting all night for it to finish. I think the i7-11700K with intel UHD graphics should make that possible.

Consider 12700 CPU, only slightly more expensive and you don't need the expensive Z690 motherboard to run it. Reviews I've seen have it running video editing/manipulation type software 10-15% faster than 11-900K. .

Premiere Pro Comparison

 

mhammann57 wrote on 3/12/2022, 12:15 PM

Great advice todd-b! The difference in rendering between my i7-3770 and the i7-12700 ought to keep me satisfied until I can save up for a dedicated GPU. Thank you!!! Mark

john_dennis wrote on 3/12/2022, 12:53 PM

@mhammann57 @todd-b

I'm not strapped for cash, but I would spend $31 to get a higher minimum P-Core clock speed from the i7-12700K.

I have not studied the latency inherent in reaching the burst clock frequency, so maybe it doesn't make any difference in the real world. Higher base clock frequencies would use more idle power. Perhaps, another thing that doesn't make any difference in the real world.

My main system:
Motherboard: Asus X99-AII
CPU: Intel i7-6850K
GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX480-8GB
RAM: Corsair Dominator (4 x 4 GB) DDR4 2400
Disk O/S & Programs: Intel SSD 750 (400 GB)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: Corsair Hydro series H115i
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Crystal Sound 3 on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: Asus ProArt PA248q (24" 1920 x 1200)
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 190943
Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

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todd-b wrote on 3/12/2022, 5:33 PM

@john_dennis in benchmarks the only difference seen is the difference between the peak CPU speeds, which is 100mhz, this is because with a decent motherboard the PL2 power mode required for peak boost is unlocked, so if 12700 needs 180watts and it doesn't overheat it will stay at 180watts indefinitely (perfect for rendering) . Unfortunately there are motherboards that enforce Intel's limited time PL2 boost, then fall to PL1(65watts) which Intel would have preferred all motherboard makers did to differentiate the performance difference between 12700 and 12700K

I can recommend 2 B660 motherboards which constantly stay in unlocked power mode, with quality VRM's that can tolerate a constant 180watts if required

MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 and MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4

Bazooka for built in wifi, there is a wifi version of MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4, but it's more expensive than Bazooka

 

malik-a wrote on 3/15/2022, 6:51 PM

Your time and effort in providing advice is greatly appreciated and exactly what I needed. I'm thinking of getting a CPU with integrated graphics and saving up for a decent GPU later. That should be possible with the i7-11700K and Intel UHD graphics. Thank you also for the motherboard, memory, and other suggestions. This forum and those who contribute are a huge help to people like me who don't make a living doing this. Thank you so much again!!! PS: Gid - I'm holding off on upgrading to 19 until the budget allows it. TheRhino - excellent component information! RogerS - I'm going to see what Ryzen has to offer in terms of graphics. Dexcon - Agreed - a decent GPU is out of my price range, so I'll have to wait.

todd-b wrote on 3/15/2022, 7:14 PM

GPU prices are dramatically dropping in prices right now. 3080 10gb's for example dropped in price 35% in the last month, but check local markets. Probably within another 30 days this GPU would have reached a stable price. You don't need a 3080 for Vegas though, 3060 seems appropriate, buy a more powerful GPU if you have other software that needs it

Former user wrote on 3/15/2022, 7:22 PM

@malik-a @todd-b Wait till the end of the yr, i might have a 3090 for sale if i can get a 4090 cheap enough 😂🤣🤸‍♂️🤸‍♂️🤸‍♂️😁

malik-a wrote on 3/16/2022, 7:29 AM

thanks for the suggestion best gpu for ryzen 5 2600

addison-b wrote on 5/12/2022, 7:47 AM

@Ram For Ryzen 7 5800x

Hello guys,

I have been researching building a gaming PC for a $1500 budget. My budget includes a monitor and a keyboard. I'd appreciate any input and recommendations on how I can improve this rig. I am looking for something that I can upgrade in the future without swapping out too many things. I am still debating on the HD because I do not want it to bottleneck my system. I plan on overclocking the RAM hence the 2133 Mhz ram.

It is my first build and journey into PC building and overclocking. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks

Dexcon wrote on 5/12/2022, 8:21 AM

 have been researching building a gaming PC for a $1500 budget. 

And this relates to Vegas Pro ... how? After all, this is a forum concentrating on issues relating to Vegas Pro. If you look at the OP's question, it relates to the best CPU and GPU for Vegas Pro 18.

If your aim is a gaming computer, you will be better off finding a forum devoted to gaming.

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Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 8 Black

Installed: Vegas Pro 16 Edit, Vegas Pro 17 Edit, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 19 Edit, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, BCC 2022, Mocha Pro 2022, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Sound Forge Pro 15, SpectraLayers Pro 8, iZotope RX9 Advanced

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD

D drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

E & F drives: 2 x 2TB Barracuda HDDs 2.5"