Please Help, looking to buy / build new Computer to run Vegas Pro 16?

gregory wrote on 5/17/2019, 4:17 AM

Hi all,

I am wondering if I could please get some help? I have been using Vegas since 8 and I love the software still to this day, currently using 15 but my current PC is on its way out so I am planning to buy a new computer in the next few weeks. A friend of mine said i am better off buying the parts and building the computer and that he would do it for me but he wouldn't know what parts I should get and neither do I, like the best graphics card etc?

I love editing videos but when it comes to the tech side of computers or when there are problems, I have no clue at all. And one thing I always hated in vegas is the preview playback lag and rendering times or my videos would be out of sync once rendered EVEN though I made sure i carefully sync clips when editing (I end up having to keep rendering each 5-10 sec parts of a 25 minute video just to make sure that specific part rendered correctly... which is incredibly SLOW...) this is why I just want a new beefy computer that I am hoping I can use vegas with no annoying issues like that and can preview what the clip will look like as i'm editing and be exactly the same as when it has rendered.

I bought Vegas pro 16 in January on sale and my current computer would not run it properly but i think that was due to specs and my computer is getting old. I just want a new fresh beefy computer now that I can run Vegas pro 16 with no issues or problems like above. This computer will be primarily for running Vegas 16 and things like Photoshop only.

I would REALLY appreciate if someone who is very tech savvy and knows a lot about Vegas 16 would have the time to spare to put what they think is best or leave links to individual parts that they think is perfect for Vegas Pro 16 & future upgrades. My budget is £1500-£2000.

I would GREATLY appreciate any help from you guys!

Thank you very much in advance! :)

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Grazie wrote on 5/17/2019, 4:57 AM

@gregory - Oh yes... I’m listening in. 🙂

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

mintyslippers wrote on 5/17/2019, 4:14 PM

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk-tech-labs-amd-ryzen-midi-tower-gaming-pc-configurator-fs-1aj-og.html#p=RgO34Z:RgP2wu(RgS2U82Rhe1w),Rhi1w)4Rhj1w)2Rhl1w;8SEH1z?'TBC1WZVTDL1Z*yTDN1Z*UTGN1ZVxTHf1#0/TPF1#z+baGi2W;XbaGG2-z+baGH22.@bidi2$_2bidj2$_!bDTn35uXbGRK3,X;bGSd3,U@bHqg3+/zbHsr3+XWbHss3+Y;

 

£1305.74

Liquid cooled 8 core Ryzen 2700x. Amd Vega 64 graphics. 16gb 3000mhz ram that can overclock to 3133mhz on that motherboard. 650w power supply.

 

No os but you can probably move your existing windows 10 license across.

TheRhino wrote on 5/18/2019, 4:56 AM

...This computer will be primarily for running Vegas 16 and things like Photoshop only.

... My budget is £1500-£2000.

This is the system I just built for <$2000 & it's faster than systems on this forum costing over $3000... It handles multiple streams of 4K video & renders 2X as fast as my older 4.0 ghz Xeon systems. Others may suggest a Threadripper 2950X, etc. which is more upgradeable, but pricier... See my other posts for benchmarks...

  • $460 Intel 9900K 8 cores @ 5.0 ghz Newegg (ebay)
  • $400 ASUS Z390 WS ($265 Newegg Refurbished available today, 5/18/19)
  • $150 Corsair H150i Liquid Cooler
  • $150 G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000
  • $350 Newegg Refurbished Radeon 64 Liquid Cooled ($350 for NEW Radeon 64 w/fans)
  • $190 Intel 2TB M.2 660P (OS on one 500GB partition, render to second 1.5TB partition)
  • $100 quality tower Case w/room for 360mm CPU radiator & GPU radiator
  • $150 1000W EVGA SuperNOVA PS (NEVER go cheap on a power supply...)
  • $    0  (used existing SATA drives in RAID0 until you can add more M.2 drives...)

    $1950 USD

    My upgrade was actually only $1350 USD because I already had the case, power supply, M.2 drives, etc. & don't mind buying refurbished parts from Newegg because I build a lot of systems...

    Tech notes: The Asus Z390 WS is the ONLY Z390 motherboard I recommend because it has a PLX chip that allows you to use ALL of the PCIe slots for video capture cards, M.2 drive PCIe adapters, etc. It also overclocks the 9900K to 5.0 ghz stable & is considered a workstation-class motherboard...

    The Intel 2TB 660P M.2 drives are very fast until half-full. I actually have (2) 2TB M.2 drives in RAID0 on the motherboard, (1) 2TB M.2 drive on a PCIe card, and (1) 2TB M.2 drive attached through an adapter to the motherboard's U.2 connector. Then, I have (2) 8TB SATA drives connected to the onboard SATA and (2) internal BR burners, but they are attached to the USB 3.0 through an adapter to save the SATA connectors for hard drives...

    Connected to the PCIe slots is an older 12-drive RAID 10 controller card, Blackmagic capture card, 10g network card, Vega 64 GPU, & M.2 card. I've been using this system for paid work for over 1 month with no issues...

Last changed by TheRhino on 5/18/2019, 4:59 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

Grazie wrote on 5/18/2019, 5:16 AM

I am SO enjoying this thread!

@TheRhino - Oh yes, 1,000 watt PSU.

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

TheRhino wrote on 5/18/2019, 8:24 AM

Intel Z390 vs. AMD X399...
Folks will soon comment how Threadripper is better because of more PCIe 3.0 lanes, future CPU upgradeability, etc... HOWEVER, PCIe 4.0 & 5.0, 7ns CPUs, larger/affordable M.2 drives, etc. are arriving VERY soon... The 9900K is 1 of 3 workstations that I am upgrading over the next 2 years... 8TB of M.2 storage still costs around $1000, so I want it attached to PCIe 4/5, not older 3.0 technology. My 9900K upgrade cost me $1350 to place in an existing case whereas some of the Threadripper folks on this forum spent $3000 - $4000 to get the same render speeds as me... (Most X399 are large, Extended-ATX & will not fit in existing ATX cases...)

 

Last changed by TheRhino on 5/18/2019, 12:24 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

gregory wrote on 5/20/2019, 5:01 AM

Thank you guys for taking the time to reply to me.

Thanks for the link mintyslippers, i have heard of overclockers website before and was thinking about using them but wouldn't no where to start, it's all so overwhelming for me as i'm really not good on the tech side from computers and parts, I just know how to use them lol.

Thanks TheRhino for your detailed comments. Could i order all of the parts you mentioned from newegg? I have never ordered from there before and I see that the items will be shipped from United States.

I would like the new computer sorted in the next 2 weeks ideally so just want to get the parts ordered and your workstation D build seems like a great choice but I cannot find some of the exact parts you listed (Also not sure which websites to order from here in the United Kingdom). Is there some where I can order all of the exact parts you listed here in the United Kingdom?

Also i was thinking 64GB ram if possible

Again i really appreciate the replies :)

Grazie wrote on 5/20/2019, 5:37 AM

@gregory:

Is there some where I can order all of the exact parts you listed here in the United Kingdom?

Not sure about “all of the exact parts” but I use SCAN UK. https://www.scan.co.uk/ They've been keen on price, speedy on despatch and they dealt with a return very quickly.

Last changed by Grazie on 5/20/2019, 5:38 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

ryclark wrote on 5/20/2019, 5:52 AM

My workstation PC also came from Scan. They have a Video Workstation self build configuration page. https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/custom/hd-4k-video-editing-pcs-laptops/form-factors#anc They actually take your configuration, build and test the PC for you so that you get a guaranteed working system.

mintyslippers wrote on 5/20/2019, 6:57 AM

Overclockers you just take the base build and change as needed. The links I used you can tweak the config to your needs. Add drives, remove them. Or you can take on of their pre-configured systems and often they give you a little room for changing parts.

For ram you in no way need 64. Ive got 32gb and even with half a dozern vegas projects open and more i still dont go over 16GB. More ram doesnt mean more speed.

You can use one of Overclockers THreadripper builds as a start https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk-tech-labs-amd-threadripper-workstation-pc-configurator-fs-01q-tl.html

Although dont go with the Quadro card. They dont play nice with Vegas.

 

TheRhino wrote on 5/20/2019, 7:55 AM

Thanks TheRhino for your detailed comments. Could i order all of the parts you mentioned from newegg? I have never ordered from there before and I see that the items will be shipped from United States.

I would like the new computer sorted in the next 2 weeks ideally so just want to get the parts ordered and your workstation D build seems like a great choice but I cannot find some of the exact parts you listed (Also not sure which websites to order from here in the United Kingdom). Is there some where I can order all of the exact parts you listed here in the United Kingdom?

Also i was thinking 64GB ram if possible

If money is tight, I recommend getting (2) 16gb DDR4 3000 sticks for now and spend your money on the stuff that cannot be easily upgraded... You can always easily add 2 more sticks yourself...

The Vega 64 Liquid Cooled will be the hardest to find. A month before I had time to build I setup a search on Slickdeals.net & it popped-up on my email one day for $350.

I ordered all of the parts for this build from either Newegg or Amazon which I expect ship to the UK. Returns are FREE in the USA, but check to see their UK return policies. Since you are new to building PCs and/or are having someone else build it, I recommend NOT getting any refurbished parts. I have had good luck, but I have been building my own PCs for 30 years & know how to quickly identify when a part is bad vs. me just installing it wrong... A quality 1000W power supply is a MUST. It will actually run cooler & prevent issues that are hard to troubleshoot...

The Asus Z390 WS is a tricky motherboard to setup the way I did, so if you are paying someone else to build it, they may complain/charge you more because of the extra labor involved... Enabling the (2) onboard M.2 automatically disables 4 of 6 SATA connectors and 1 of 2 U.2 connectors, so I can only connect (2) SATA devices and (1) U.2 device. The manual is labeled wrong... The top (2) SATA connectors are the ones to use. To save those for SATA hard drives, I connected my (2) internal BR burners to USB 3.0 via adapters & cables. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WQJ851O Also, I connected a 3rd M.2 drive to the U.2 port via an adapter & cable which lets it run at full-speed over U.2 which is the same speed as a PCIe 4X slot... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07J2T33Z3/ https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JH92TD9

Over the weekend I changed a couple things... I am now running my OS from an older 500gb SSD drive connected to a SATA port. The (2) motherboard M.2 drives are in RAID0 and the M.2 connected to the U.2 and a M.2 connected to a PCIe card are also in RAID0. Both show-up as 4GB drives in windows that give read/write speeds of 3000 Mb/s. The 2TB Intel 660p M.2 drives are <$200 USD each, so I get 4TB @ 3000 Mb/s for <$400. In comparison a single 2TB Samsung 970 that runs at that speed costs $600...

Remember the Intel 660p M.2 stick writes will start to slow-down once they are past half-full... Mine rarely get to that point because once I finish a project I clear it for the next project with backups still handy on a RAID10 SATA and offsite NAS... Read speeds typically remain fast, so they are always a great 4K video SOURCE even if you choose a different option for your TARGET drive. If I get a REALLY large project, I will use both M.2 RAID0 as SOURCE drives & my 4x8TB RAID10 as my TARGET drive...

Last changed by TheRhino on 5/20/2019, 8:01 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

gregory wrote on 5/20/2019, 11:25 AM

Thank you Grazie & ryclark for your comments, i have seen the 3XS Recommended Video Workstations page on Scan which is helpful as it mentions Vegas Pro. Also thank you again mintyslippers and TheRhino, All of you are awesome! :)

I have been looking at both Scan and Overclockers UK and i may go through getting a Pro Video PC Workstation and configuring it from either of those websites instead. I would like to get as soon as I can and ordering separate parts could be time consuming and to top it off my friend is going away for 2 weeks at the end of the month so he even said to me that maybe I should just go that route because I could be waiting awhile if I order parts individually and for him to do it.

So If i was to go down that route, which of those websites do I choose? Never used either but Overclockers UK I knew of before but I only heard about Scan.co.uk today from Grazie & ryclark. Also I would like an Elgato 4K60 PRO game capture card added, would they be able to do that?

Thanks guys! :)