Poor performance during render

Koshox wrote on 6/17/2019, 12:17 AM

My PC is basically unusable during rendering due to the high resource load placed on it by Vegas. Is there a reason for this? This doesn't happen with other editing software.

Specs:

i7-8700k

GTX 1050

Vegas Pro 15

Comments

Grazie wrote on 6/17/2019, 12:26 AM

My PC is basically unusable during rendering due to the high resource load placed on it by Vegas. Is there a reason for this? This doesn't happen with other editing software.

@Koshox - Good question in that you wish to know just how far you can press VP before the pips squeak.

Specs:

i7-8700k

GTX 1050

Vegas Pro 15

Your specs look good. It’s now got to be down to what your Rendering - Media and FXs - and in what Project Settings you’ve set in PS.

As a Rule of Thumb and forever I avoid doing anything on the PC whilst rendering. Maybe I’m incorrect in doing that, but that’s me.

As to is this the way with other NLEs? I have no idea. It would be one of the least important reasons I’d jump ship. What do I do? I use my IPad AIR2 and e.g. write this! 😆

Grazie

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EricLNZ wrote on 6/17/2019, 2:38 AM

My PC is basically unusable during rendering due to the high resource load placed on it by Vegas.

Some here will envy you as they complain Vegas doesn't fully utilise the system resources that they have!

 

wwaag wrote on 6/17/2019, 8:14 AM

@Koshox

I had a similar complaint for those using HappyOtterScripts for rendering. I added an option to change processing priority in which the user could select below normal or low (as well as above normal or high) to permit other things to be done during renders. I suspect that you can easily do this manually by changing these settings using Windows Task Manager. I might be mistaken, but I think the freeware SEMW extensions also support priority changes during rendering. Perhaps someone using these extensions could comment.

Musicvid wrote on 6/17/2019, 9:51 AM

I don't multitask during renders. Seems to work.

BruceUSA wrote on 6/17/2019, 9:56 AM

I always multitask during rendering. I usually editing in Lightroom and play a video, none issue.

diverG wrote on 6/17/2019, 2:15 PM

I often open a second instance of Vegas and edit a different project.  Over many years there has never been a problem.  Not tried rendering two project simultaneously.  CPU & GPU rarely get above 50% so may be worth a test. 

OK just tried to render 2 projects.  As anticipated appallingly slow but no crash..

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Sys 1 Gig Z370-HD3, i7 8086K @ 5.0 Ghz 16gb ram, 250gb SSD, 2x2Tb hd,  GTX 1060 6Gb Vegas 14 & 16 plus Edius 8WG Win 10 (1809) BMIP4k video out. (PS 650W)

Sys 2 Gig Z170-HD3, i7 6700K @ 3.8Ghz 16gb ram, 250gb SSD, 2x2Tb, hdd GTX 750ti,  Vegas 14 & 16 plus Edius 8WG Win 10 (1809) BMIP4k video out. (PS 650W)

Sys 3 Laptop 'Clevo' i7 6700K @ 3.0ghz, 16gb ram, 250gb SSd + 2Tb hdd,   nvidia 940 M graphics. VP14 & 15 via humble bundle. Plus Edius 8WG

 

fifonik wrote on 6/17/2019, 10:05 PM

I do multi-tasking while rendering from Vegas.

Even on my 'low end' PC it is OK. CPU utilisation still high (more that 90%) in Task Manager, but PC is absolutely usable for typical tasks (browsing, email, watching video, web programming etc). Usually I do not do video editing in other Vegas instance as I noticed then when I adjusting some plugins (mercalli v4 for example) that are also used in the rendering project the render might stuck. Simple trimming video editing works with no issues.

I'd recommend to update chipset driver if someone have the issue (I'd use Intel/AMD ones, not from Microsoft).

Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1809

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

diverG wrote on 6/18/2019, 1:50 PM

OT

Rendering with VP the CPU usage is around 50% with low usage on the nVvidia and intel GPU's.  Rendering a similar project with Edius 8v5 results in CPU usage 98% with low usage of the GPU's.  When Mercalli is in use the CPU drops to about 50%.  

Sys 1 Gig Z370-HD3, i7 8086K @ 5.0 Ghz 16gb ram, 250gb SSD, 2x2Tb hd,  GTX 1060 6Gb Vegas 14 & 16 plus Edius 8WG Win 10 (1809) BMIP4k video out. (PS 650W)

Sys 2 Gig Z170-HD3, i7 6700K @ 3.8Ghz 16gb ram, 250gb SSD, 2x2Tb, hdd GTX 750ti,  Vegas 14 & 16 plus Edius 8WG Win 10 (1809) BMIP4k video out. (PS 650W)

Sys 3 Laptop 'Clevo' i7 6700K @ 3.0ghz, 16gb ram, 250gb SSd + 2Tb hdd,   nvidia 940 M graphics. VP14 & 15 via humble bundle. Plus Edius 8WG

 

Koshox wrote on 6/19/2019, 12:22 AM

The video finished and came out ok, render time was about 1:1. But for some reason the file size is much larger than with other programs. Like almost 10x larger. Am i missing something here? All the presets in Vegas seemed quite large. Wouldn't allow me to match project settings..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Original
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 9.64 GiB
Duration                                 : 11 h 40 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 1 970 kb/s
Writing application                      : Lavf58.20.100

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Baseline@L4
Format settings                          : 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : No
Format settings, RefFrames               : 1 frame
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 11 h 40 min
Source duration                          : 542 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 1 709 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 2 000 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.027
Stream size                              : 8.36 GiB (87%)
Source stream size                       : 8.36 GiB (87%)
Color range                              : Limited
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
mdhd_Duration                            : 42012284
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 11 h 40 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 253 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 256 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 1.24 GiB (13%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Vegas Render
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 97.8 GiB
Duration                                 : 11 h 40 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 20.0 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-06-17 04:57:55
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-06-17 04:57:55

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L4.1@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 11 h 40 min
Bit rate                                 : 19.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.159
Stream size                              : 96.8 GiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-06-17 04:57:56
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-06-17 04:57:56
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Format profile                           : AAC@L2
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 11 h 40 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 525 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 949 MiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-06-17 04:57:56
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-06-17 04:57:56

 

fifonik wrote on 6/19/2019, 2:31 AM
Bit rate                                 : 1 709 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS

render:

Bit rate                                 : 19.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS

You used wrong framerate (in project settings or in render) and specified too high bitrate.

It's not VP to blame.

 

> All the presets in Vegas seemed quite large.

You can modify render templates (key in lower bitrate if you like, however I would not do this as usually wou will get poor quality video, I'd better downscale it to 720p) and save it under different name.

Last changed by fifonik on 6/19/2019, 4:09 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1809

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

Koshox wrote on 6/19/2019, 8:15 PM

I worded the above wrong. There is no option to customize the template. Is there a reason this is not present?

fifonik wrote on 6/19/2019, 9:17 PM

'Not present'? What do you mean? In VP15 you should have Customize Template button on the Render page (see section Rendering projects on page 497 in VP15 manual).

Last changed by fifonik on 6/20/2019, 1:13 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1809

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

Koshox wrote on 6/20/2019, 11:33 PM

 

Heres what mine looks like. Doesn't show up for any template, i looked at them all..

fifonik wrote on 6/21/2019, 12:01 AM

I'd re-install VP15 (download the latest build if you do not have it yet).

If the issue still there, I'd contact Magix.

Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1809

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

vkmast wrote on 6/21/2019, 12:21 AM

fifonik wrote on 6/21/2019, 12:58 AM

Most probably this is the case.

I wanted to ask about version, however in very first post it was mentioned as Vegas Pro 15.

Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1809

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

ryclark wrote on 6/21/2019, 6:58 AM

You have to have selected one of the templates from the list on the right (nearest to what you want to use) before you are able to customise anything.

vkmast wrote on 6/21/2019, 1:06 PM

You have to have selected one of the templates from the list on the right (nearest to what you want to use) before you are able to customise anything.

True, but if the OP really has Vegas Pro 15, the "Customize Template" option should still be seen as greyed out. See my screenshot. The OP's screenshot does not include that option box.