Re: Problems With Vegas - CPU/disk meters are there with 512MB

trockman wrote on 1/24/2001, 7:07 PM
An interesting tidbit - when I upgraded to Vegas Audio 2 my cpu and disk meters also vanished and I
asked SF who told me that story about them not being too accurate and so being removed - but guess
what? When I recently upgraed from 384Mb RAm to 512MB, both meters mysteriously re-appeared
and have been back since!

Tony

James Harold wrote:
>>I just wanted to say that, YES, I TOO had the exact same
>>problem. Here is the amazing thing, First off, here is my
>>system:
>>
>>PIII733/133fsb
>>256 pc133 ram
>>maxtor 20 gig 7200 udma66
>>quantum fireball 15 gig 7200 udma66
>>Matrox Millenium 8meg Vid Card
>>
>>OKAY, Go figure, I was using vegas 1.0a and everything was
>>working well, then I purchased a 20" monitor and changed my
>>display to accomodate the new screen size, went from
>>800x600 to 1024xwhatever. All of a sudden, BAM!!!! vegas
>>wouldn't even play a single track without crashing. I re-
>>installed the OS, still the same thing. Here is what I
>>discovered. The video driver for my vid card that came
>>with the cd is junk. The card I have is an SiS chipset
>>card, and oh man do they suck!!! If you go try and get the
>>updated driver, it still doesn't work.
>>
>>Talking to a friend of mine he told me the answer to my
>>problem:
>>
>>There is a beta version of the vid driver for the SiS
>>chipset video cards. You can only get it on the Korean
>>mirror site. It is the only one that says Beta version on
>>it. Try that, it totaly changed the way the system and
>>vegas worked. I now get well over 16 tracks of audio with
>>no pops glitches or anything.
>>
>>-James (just trying to help)
>>
>>Gabriel wrote:
>>>>Hello, everyone. My name's Gabriel and I'm a would-be
>>>>Vegas user. (I own Vegas Audio and have been considering
>>>>purchasing Vegas Pro at the recommendation of friends who
>>>>use Vegas in their own demo and project studios.)
>>>>
>>>>I'm posting this because I know there must be at least a
>>>>few people in my situation who share my frustrations.
>>>>
>>>>Please note that it is not my intention to discourage
>>>>anyone from using Vegas Audio or any other Sonic Foundry
>>>>product or to receive free technical support.
>>>>
>>>>I recently received a copy of Vegas Audio bundled with a
>>>>Midiman M-Audio Delta 1010, thinking this would be an
>>>>excellent opportunity to try out Vegas and decide once and
>>>>for all whether or not I should purchase Vegas Pro--a
>>>>matter I'd been debating for weeks.
>>>>
>>>>Several people I know have used Sonic Foundry products
>>>>extensively and gave high recommendations. Vegas Pro even
>>>>converted the most hardened DAW-hating luddite I know into
>>>>a technohead who swears by Vegas!
>>>>
>>>>Well, I installed the software and was more than a little
>>>>dissappointed.
>>>>
>>>>Attempting to play back a single four-minute stereo wave
>>>>file produced slightly garbled, static-riddled results.
>>>>Adding a second track made the distortion quite severe.
>>>>Occassionally, the system would get so bogged down trying
>>>>to play back the two tracks, Vegas would stop.
>>>>
>>>>My system isn't a quad Xeon server, but it should be able
>>>>to handle two or three tracks of digital audio.
>>>>
>>>>I'm using a 550MHz processor and 512MB of 8ns ECC RAM.
>>>>Operating systems, applications, swap files,
>>>>and data are all on separate SCSI IBM UltraStar drives,
>>>>with the digital audio streaming from an Ultra160 drive
>>>>capable of sustaining roughly 50MB/s!
>>>>
>>>>Sure enough, I played back the same two tracks of digital
>>>>audio with other applications--no problem. Cakewalk
>>>>indicated only 1% to 2% CPU usage while playing back these
>>>>two tracks. Further, these other applications can easily
>>>>handle more than 16 tracks of audio on my system with no
>>>>problems.
>>>>
>>>>Only Vegas had problems.
>>>>
>>>>I tried to look at the RAM and Disk usage meters on the
>>>>status bar at the bottom of the Vegas window for a clue,
>>>>but there were no such meters to be found. The status
>>>>bar was there all right, but it only displayed the
>>>>Record Time meter--NO RAM or Disk meters! These meters
>>are
>>>>clearly visible in a number of Vegas screen shots and are
>>>>clearly described in the documentation, but I don't have
>>>>them.
>>>>
>>>>Cakewalk's RAM and CPU meters show up on their taskbar.
>>>>Why don't the RAM Disk meters show up on Vegas' taskbar?
>>>>It's in the screen shots...
>>>>
>>>>Following suggestions in the documentation, I adjusted
>>>>the playback buffering. No matter how I adjusted the
>>>>buffering, playback was exactly the same. No plug-ins or
>>>>other applications were running and only core services
>>were
>>>>running.
>>>>
>>>>Reducing my display's color depth to 8-bit (256 colors),
>>>>the refresh rate to 60Hz, and the resolution to 800X600
>>>>eliminated most of the distortion and enabled me to play
>>>>back more tracks without difficulty, but if other
>>>>applications work flawlessly with my usual display
>>>>settings, I expect Vegas to work with them as well.
>>>>Besides, reducing overhead from the video subsystem did
>>>>nothing to restore my missing RAM and Disk meters.
>>>>
>>>>I rebooted the system and tried to record something.
>>Vegas
>>>>responded with an error message stating "the device
>>>>specified in use by another application." There were no
>>>>other applications running. I examined all the background
>>>>processes running on the system--there was nothing that
>>>>would be using any of my sound hardware's resources. No
>>>>apps were running invisibly in the background, no anti-
>>>>virus, no power power management routines--nothing.
>>>>
>>>>By constantly rebooting, I was eventually able to record
>>>>a single track of garbled audio. For a moment, I thought
>>>>it was only garbled because of playback problems, but
>>>>saving the digital audio to a file and examining it with
>>>>cool edit revealed that Vegas was indeed garbling the
>>>>sound during the recording process.
>>>>
>>>>I've read all available documentation, adjusted every
>>>>setting, consulted with other Vegas audio users I know,
>>>>reconfigured my system various ways, un-installed and
>>>>re-installed drivers, applications, and even the operating
>>>>system and after four days, no one has been able to make
>>>>Vegas work or even explain why it doesn't. No one can
>>>>explain the missing RAM and Disk meters, either.
>>>>
>>>>I am not willing to pay more than $20.00 or so to have a
>>>>technician troubleshoot an issue that has already been so
>>>>thoroughly investigated by myself and several friends (I
>>>>am a technician, incidentally, as are most of my
>>>>associates.) that finding a solution is highly unlikely.
>>>>
>>>>The product, although highly touted by several people I
>>>>know and whose opinions I respect, doesn't work for me.
>>>>
>>>>Has anyone else had numerous or similar inexplicable
>>>>problems with Vegas? Does anyone know if these problems
>>>>are related to the bundled Vegas packages only? Has
>>>>anyone had these problems with a retail version? Should I
>>>>buy Vegas Pro or cut my losses and stick with other
>>>>apps?
>>>>
>>>>If anyone has opinions regarding anything in this
>>>>posting or if anyone else is experiencing these
>>>>problems, please reply. I can't believe I'm the only
>>>>one.
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>Gabriel

Comments

gabriel wrote on 1/27/2001, 9:22 PM
Yet another interesting tidbit:

My system has 512MB of RAM and the meters DON'T appear on
my system!

Something else that amused me no end:

I upgraded from Vegas Audio version 2.0a to the newer 2.0b
version--and most of the problems got worse!

Version 2.0b hasn't locked up the audio hardware yet,
though. (The 2.0a version would falsely report that
another application was using the audio hardware and
would refuse to do anything! As far as I can tell, the
Vegas app was starting a child process on another thread
and wouldn't release the hardware resource--even for it's
own use! This may not be the case, but it looked something
like that.)

This is the crappiest digital audio I've ever tried to use
--and I've used a lot of software.

I can't believe this product made it past Q&A.

I un-installed Vegas and went back to using products that
work.




Tony Rockliff wrote:
>>An interesting tidbit - when I upgraded to Vegas Audio 2
my cpu and disk meters also vanished and I
>>asked SF who told me that story about them not being too
accurate and so being removed - but guess
>>what? When I recently upgraed from 384Mb RAm to 512MB,
both meters mysteriously re-appeared
>>and have been back since!
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>James Harold wrote:
>>>>I just wanted to say that, YES, I TOO had the exact
same
>>>>problem. Here is the amazing thing, First off, here
is my
>>>>system:
>>>>
>>>>PIII733/133fsb
>>>>256 pc133 ram
>>>>maxtor 20 gig 7200 udma66
>>>>quantum fireball 15 gig 7200 udma66
>>>>Matrox Millenium 8meg Vid Card
>>>>
>>>>OKAY, Go figure, I was using vegas 1.0a and everything
was
>>>>working well, then I purchased a 20" monitor and
changed my
>>>>display to accomodate the new screen size, went from
>>>>800x600 to 1024xwhatever. All of a sudden, BAM!!!!
vegas
>>>>wouldn't even play a single track without crashing. I
re-
>>>>installed the OS, still the same thing. Here is what I
>>>>discovered. The video driver for my vid card that came
>>>>with the cd is junk. The card I have is an SiS chipset
>>>>card, and oh man do they suck!!! If you go try and get
the
>>>>updated driver, it still doesn't work.
>>>>
>>>>Talking to a friend of mine he told me the answer to my
>>>>problem:
>>>>
>>>>There is a beta version of the vid driver for the SiS
>>>>chipset video cards. You can only get it on the Korean
>>>>mirror site. It is the only one that says Beta version
on
>>>>it. Try that, it totaly changed the way the system and
>>>>vegas worked. I now get well over 16 tracks of audio
with
>>>>no pops glitches or anything.
>>>>
>>>>-James (just trying to help)
>>>>
>>>>Gabriel wrote:
>>>>>>Hello, everyone. My name's Gabriel and I'm a would-be
>>>>>>Vegas user. (I own Vegas Audio and have been
considering
>>>>>>purchasing Vegas Pro at the recommendation of friends
who
>>>>>>use Vegas in their own demo and project studios.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm posting this because I know there must be at
least a
>>>>>>few people in my situation who share my
frustrations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note that it is not my intention to discourage
>>>>>>anyone from using Vegas Audio or any other Sonic
Foundry
>>>>>>product or to receive free technical support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I recently received a copy of Vegas Audio bundled
with a
>>>>>>Midiman M-Audio Delta 1010, thinking this would be an
>>>>>>excellent opportunity to try out Vegas and decide
once and
>>>>>>for all whether or not I should purchase Vegas Pro--a
>>>>>>matter I'd been debating for weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Several people I know have used Sonic Foundry products
>>>>>>extensively and gave high recommendations. Vegas Pro
even
>>>>>>converted the most hardened DAW-hating luddite I know
into
>>>>>>a technohead who swears by Vegas!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I installed the software and was more than a
little
>>>>>>dissappointed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Attempting to play back a single four-minute stereo
wave
>>>>>>file produced slightly garbled, static-riddled
results.
>>>>>>Adding a second track made the distortion quite
severe.
>>>>>>Occassionally, the system would get so bogged down
trying
>>>>>>to play back the two tracks, Vegas would stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My system isn't a quad Xeon server, but it should be
able
>>>>>>to handle two or three tracks of digital audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm using a 550MHz processor and 512MB of 8ns ECC
RAM.
>>>>>>Operating systems, applications, swap files,
>>>>>>and data are all on separate SCSI IBM UltraStar
drives,
>>>>>>with the digital audio streaming from an Ultra160
drive
>>>>>>capable of sustaining roughly 50MB/s!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sure enough, I played back the same two tracks of
digital
>>>>>>audio with other applications--no problem. Cakewalk
>>>>>>indicated only 1% to 2% CPU usage while playing back
these
>>>>>>two tracks. Further, these other applications can
easily
>>>>>>handle more than 16 tracks of audio on my system with
no
>>>>>>problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only Vegas had problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I tried to look at the RAM and Disk usage meters on
the
>>>>>>status bar at the bottom of the Vegas window for a
clue,
>>>>>>but there were no such meters to be found. The status
>>>>>>bar was there all right, but it only displayed the
>>>>>>Record Time meter--NO RAM or Disk meters! These
meters
>>>>are
>>>>>>clearly visible in a number of Vegas screen shots and
are
>>>>>>clearly described in the documentation, but I don't
have
>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cakewalk's RAM and CPU meters show up on their
taskbar.
>>>>>>Why don't the RAM Disk meters show up on Vegas'
taskbar?
>>>>>>It's in the screen shots...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Following suggestions in the documentation, I
adjusted
>>>>>>the playback buffering. No matter how I adjusted the
>>>>>>buffering, playback was exactly the same. No plug-
ins or
>>>>>>other applications were running and only core
services
>>>>were
>>>>>>running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Reducing my display's color depth to 8-bit (256
colors),
>>>>>>the refresh rate to 60Hz, and the resolution to
800X600
>>>>>>eliminated most of the distortion and enabled me to
play
>>>>>>back more tracks without difficulty, but if other
>>>>>>applications work flawlessly with my usual display
>>>>>>settings, I expect Vegas to work with them as well.
>>>>>>Besides, reducing overhead from the video subsystem
did
>>>>>>nothing to restore my missing RAM and Disk meters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I rebooted the system and tried to record something.
>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>responded with an error message stating "the device
>>>>>>specified in use by another application." There were
no
>>>>>>other applications running. I examined all the
background
>>>>>>processes running on the system--there was nothing
that
>>>>>>would be using any of my sound hardware's resources.
No
>>>>>>apps were running invisibly in the background, no
anti-
>>>>>>virus, no power power management routines--nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By constantly rebooting, I was eventually able to
record
>>>>>>a single track of garbled audio. For a moment, I
thought
>>>>>>it was only garbled because of playback problems, but
>>>>>>saving the digital audio to a file and examining it
with
>>>>>>cool edit revealed that Vegas was indeed garbling the
>>>>>>sound during the recording process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've read all available documentation, adjusted every
>>>>>>setting, consulted with other Vegas audio users I
know,
>>>>>>reconfigured my system various ways, un-installed and
>>>>>>re-installed drivers, applications, and even the
operating
>>>>>>system and after four days, no one has been able to
make
>>>>>>Vegas work or even explain why it doesn't. No one can
>>>>>>explain the missing RAM and Disk meters, either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not willing to pay more than $20.00 or so to
have a
gabriel wrote on 1/27/2001, 9:22 PM
Yet another interesting tidbit:

My system has 512MB of RAM and the meters DON'T appear on
my system!

Something else that amused me no end:

I upgraded from Vegas Audio version 2.0a to the newer 2.0b
version--and most of the problems got worse!

Version 2.0b hasn't locked up the audio hardware yet,
though. (The 2.0a version would falsely report that
another application was using the audio hardware and
would refuse to do anything! As far as I can tell, the
Vegas app was starting a child process on another thread
and wouldn't release the hardware resource--even for it's
own use! This may not be the case, but it looked something
like that.)

This is the crappiest digital audio app I've ever tried to
use
--and I've used a lot of software.

I can't believe this product made it past Q&A.

I un-installed Vegas and went back to using products that
work.




Tony Rockliff wrote:
>>An interesting tidbit - when I upgraded to Vegas Audio 2
my cpu and disk meters also vanished and I
>>asked SF who told me that story about them not being too
accurate and so being removed - but guess
>>what? When I recently upgraed from 384Mb RAm to 512MB,
both meters mysteriously re-appeared
>>and have been back since!
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>James Harold wrote:
>>>>I just wanted to say that, YES, I TOO had the exact
same
>>>>problem. Here is the amazing thing, First off, here
is my
>>>>system:
>>>>
>>>>PIII733/133fsb
>>>>256 pc133 ram
>>>>maxtor 20 gig 7200 udma66
>>>>quantum fireball 15 gig 7200 udma66
>>>>Matrox Millenium 8meg Vid Card
>>>>
>>>>OKAY, Go figure, I was using vegas 1.0a and everything
was
>>>>working well, then I purchased a 20" monitor and
changed my
>>>>display to accomodate the new screen size, went from
>>>>800x600 to 1024xwhatever. All of a sudden, BAM!!!!
vegas
>>>>wouldn't even play a single track without crashing. I
re-
>>>>installed the OS, still the same thing. Here is what I
>>>>discovered. The video driver for my vid card that came
>>>>with the cd is junk. The card I have is an SiS chipset
>>>>card, and oh man do they suck!!! If you go try and get
the
>>>>updated driver, it still doesn't work.
>>>>
>>>>Talking to a friend of mine he told me the answer to my
>>>>problem:
>>>>
>>>>There is a beta version of the vid driver for the SiS
>>>>chipset video cards. You can only get it on the Korean
>>>>mirror site. It is the only one that says Beta version
on
>>>>it. Try that, it totaly changed the way the system and
>>>>vegas worked. I now get well over 16 tracks of audio
with
>>>>no pops glitches or anything.
>>>>
>>>>-James (just trying to help)
>>>>
>>>>Gabriel wrote:
>>>>>>Hello, everyone. My name's Gabriel and I'm a would-be
>>>>>>Vegas user. (I own Vegas Audio and have been
considering
>>>>>>purchasing Vegas Pro at the recommendation of friends
who
>>>>>>use Vegas in their own demo and project studios.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm posting this because I know there must be at
least a
>>>>>>few people in my situation who share my
frustrations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note that it is not my intention to discourage
>>>>>>anyone from using Vegas Audio or any other Sonic
Foundry
>>>>>>product or to receive free technical support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I recently received a copy of Vegas Audio bundled
with a
>>>>>>Midiman M-Audio Delta 1010, thinking this would be an
>>>>>>excellent opportunity to try out Vegas and decide
once and
>>>>>>for all whether or not I should purchase Vegas Pro--a
>>>>>>matter I'd been debating for weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Several people I know have used Sonic Foundry products
>>>>>>extensively and gave high recommendations. Vegas Pro
even
>>>>>>converted the most hardened DAW-hating luddite I know
into
>>>>>>a technohead who swears by Vegas!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I installed the software and was more than a
little
>>>>>>dissappointed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Attempting to play back a single four-minute stereo
wave
>>>>>>file produced slightly garbled, static-riddled
results.
>>>>>>Adding a second track made the distortion quite
severe.
>>>>>>Occassionally, the system would get so bogged down
trying
>>>>>>to play back the two tracks, Vegas would stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My system isn't a quad Xeon server, but it should be
able
>>>>>>to handle two or three tracks of digital audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm using a 550MHz processor and 512MB of 8ns ECC
RAM.
>>>>>>Operating systems, applications, swap files,
>>>>>>and data are all on separate SCSI IBM UltraStar
drives,
>>>>>>with the digital audio streaming from an Ultra160
drive
>>>>>>capable of sustaining roughly 50MB/s!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sure enough, I played back the same two tracks of
digital
>>>>>>audio with other applications--no problem. Cakewalk
>>>>>>indicated only 1% to 2% CPU usage while playing back
these
>>>>>>two tracks. Further, these other applications can
easily
>>>>>>handle more than 16 tracks of audio on my system with
no
>>>>>>problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only Vegas had problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I tried to look at the RAM and Disk usage meters on
the
>>>>>>status bar at the bottom of the Vegas window for a
clue,
>>>>>>but there were no such meters to be found. The status
>>>>>>bar was there all right, but it only displayed the
>>>>>>Record Time meter--NO RAM or Disk meters! These
meters
>>>>are
>>>>>>clearly visible in a number of Vegas screen shots and
are
>>>>>>clearly described in the documentation, but I don't
have
>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cakewalk's RAM and CPU meters show up on their
taskbar.
>>>>>>Why don't the RAM Disk meters show up on Vegas'
taskbar?
>>>>>>It's in the screen shots...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Following suggestions in the documentation, I
adjusted
>>>>>>the playback buffering. No matter how I adjusted the
>>>>>>buffering, playback was exactly the same. No plug-
ins or
>>>>>>other applications were running and only core
services
>>>>were
>>>>>>running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Reducing my display's color depth to 8-bit (256
colors),
>>>>>>the refresh rate to 60Hz, and the resolution to
800X600
>>>>>>eliminated most of the distortion and enabled me to
play
>>>>>>back more tracks without difficulty, but if other
>>>>>>applications work flawlessly with my usual display
>>>>>>settings, I expect Vegas to work with them as well.
>>>>>>Besides, reducing overhead from the video subsystem
did
>>>>>>nothing to restore my missing RAM and Disk meters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I rebooted the system and tried to record something.
>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>responded with an error message stating "the device
>>>>>>specified in use by another application." There were
no
>>>>>>other applications running. I examined all the
background
>>>>>>processes running on the system--there was nothing
that
>>>>>>would be using any of my sound hardware's resources.
No
>>>>>>apps were running invisibly in the background, no
anti-
>>>>>>virus, no power power management routines--nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By constantly rebooting, I was eventually able to
record
>>>>>>a single track of garbled audio. For a moment, I
thought
>>>>>>it was only garbled because of playback problems, but
>>>>>>saving the digital audio to a file and examining it
with
>>>>>>cool edit revealed that Vegas was indeed garbling the
>>>>>>sound during the recording process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've read all available documentation, adjusted every
>>>>>>setting, consulted with other Vegas audio users I
know,
>>>>>>reconfigured my system various ways, un-installed and
>>>>>>re-installed drivers, applications, and even the
operating
>>>>>>system and after four days, no one has been able to
make
>>>>>>Vegas work or even explain why it doesn't. No one can
>>>>>>explain the missing RAM and Disk meters, either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not willing to pay more than $20.00 or so to
h