You're pissing into the wind. Render your videos to 1280x720, leaving the black bars and move on to solving the next most important of the world's problems.

It's good to review simple arithmetic ratios and factors. like 1280x720 = 16:9 = 1.7777_ DAR

So, if your video is 1152 wide at 1.0 PAR, 1152/16*9 = 648, so 1152x648 to fill a 16:9 player screen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_aspect_ratio

Most people promptly forget this their last day of fifth grade, but it is critically essential arithmetic for video editors.

More video math questions here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/math-review-for-editors-10-questions--111980/

Thanks a lot Music vid for the "multiple of four" rule. You sir are an Encyclopædia.

I know I shouldn't care about black bars. I just want it to be clean if it's not too demanding. The point is many of my videos have weird size when I remove the black bars. It is because I had to crop a lot of source footage that had logos from tv channels, subtitles, title bars etc... These wouldn't look good on my works. I could of course zoom more, or stretch, in order to have either 4:3 and 16:9 "barless" videos, but both methods stretching and zooming have their drawbacks, it either crop some more picture, or distort the picture.

Sorry to ask again, but apart from that, are there no solution for the main issue? :

"I have a problem through : I need to determine the exact value of that weird custom frame size in Vegas pro 13 rendering dialogue box, (something like "1140x720" for the project I was just trying to render). I can get close to the value by trying until I don't see a black bar anywhere, But If I had a way to know the good value each time without trying, it would be a lot easier."

It wouldn't be such a big problem of course, if I didn't have to remove black bars on about 30 videos...

I told you how:

Divide 1140 by 16 and multiply the answer by 9 to get the height; or,

Divide 720 by 9 and multiply the answer by 16 to get the DAR width.

1280:720 = 1280/720 = 16/9 = 1.777_

Beginning to remember now?

Best get to studying, there will be a quiz! In fact, its linked above.

well I'm not looking for the ratio, all videos will have different size and ratio once the bars are removed. 1140 was good for only one of them after trying different sizes.

all videos will have different size and ratio once the bars are removed.

No, they will have the same Display Aspect Ratio, in this case 16x9.

well I'm not looking for the ratio,

well in twenty-three years of teaching, that's the only way I know to do it.

To make a video fill a screen without black bars, you use the ratio to adjust the dimensions,

Best of luck, try it.

Online display aspect calculator

https://andrew.hedges.name/experiments/aspect_ratio/

Thanks for the calculator Musicvid, but I don't know the ratio and the size...
Sorry I'm very bad at describing something technical in English

Here is what I have typically on all my projects : An original footage (usually old) that I cropped to get rid of the tv channel logo and the dirty discolored borders (it's just an example, I'm not into Japanese cartoons :)
https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/08/26/190826085452468068.png

Logos are always different have different size are located in different places on the screen depending on the source footage. So basically I will end up with a different non standard frame size on each video, none will have the same size except that they will share either the width (1280p) or the height (720p), So fo instance one video will have a 720*1140 size, the second one a 720*1090, the third 690*1280, the fourth 670*1280, the fifth 720*1160 and so on...

With this Japanese cartoon if I render with my usual template, Vegas will create two black bars : One on the left, and one on the right. I want to avoid the two black bars, so in the here after dialog box I'll keep the 720 value for the height. What I need is to find for each video the exact value for the width :

https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/08/26/190826085451429841.png

Otherwise I have to enter a width value, then start rendering, check the rendered video, then try another value until there are no black bars at all...

You seem to want a custom frame size that will play without bars in a standard 16x9 player. You can't have it both ways.

john_dennis wrote on 8/25/2019, 5:35 PM

You're pissing into the wind. Render your videos to 1280x720, leaving the black bars and move on to solving the next most important of the world's problems

I've done it, it plays without bars (or nearly) in mpchc :
Video: Xvid 1140x720 25fps 5660kbps [V: mpeg4 advanced simple profile, yuv420p, 1140x720, 5660 kb/s]
Audio: PCM 48000Hz stereo 2304kbps [A: pcm_s24le, 48000 Hz, 2 channels, s24, 2304 kb/s]

I just wish I knew how to make it quicker.

"well in twenty-three years of teaching, that's the only way I know to do it. To make a video fill a screen without black bars, you use the ratio to adjust the dimensions. Best of luck, try it."

I think there was a misunderstanding. I don't want the video to fill a screen without black bars. Only a video that wouldn't have black bars in MPCHC's "restored" window. (here's what I mean by restored window : https://i.stack.imgur.com/bcKkM.gif )

Handbrake does this for you as it's default behavior. It also saves a little space.

"I just wish I knew how to make it quicker."

If you have an Nvidia or AMD graphics card released within the past 4-5 years, you can utilize Nvidia's NVENC or AMD's VCE to speed up Magix AVC encodes. If you have one installed in your system, and the drivers are correctly installed for it, you'll see NVENC or VCE appear next to some of the Magix AVC render templates. Choose those for faster renders.

No no, encoding is fast I have small videos and a monster computer. I was talking about workflow : Find a better approach than the empirical one, you now try a value than another one, until It's good.

So Musicvid, you're suggesting I would be better off rendering with Vegas with bars, then using handbreak to remove the bars. I was hopping to do it with Vegas.

I don't understand why I'm stuck, there must be a way.

Using handbrake would complicate things a lot. For instance if in a few months I discover a misspell in my subtitles then I would have to apply the correction in Vegas then re-render it with handbrake remembering handbrake 's settings for each video etc.. That's even if I can learn to use handbrake properly.

You guys just don't understand the work involved, I have 80 songs, am doing new ones all the time. I'm not a shopkeeper selling my hours to a client and call it a day. I'm singing, remixing my old songs all the time, changing words in the text, changing the way I sing, and now that I know more or less how to make a clean video, cleaning the video part so that it looks perfectly clean and not amateur anymore. It's a an endless work. There are actually very few songs I'm sure I won't touch again.

I don't want the video to fill a screen without black bars. Only a video that wouldn't have black bars in MPCHC's "restored" window.
 

Right click > Zoom > AutoFit

Thanks, but I tried to right click on several places, I can't find zoom or "autofit". (Using vegas pro 15 )

There must be a way to render with a custom ratio and get rid of the logos and black bars :
https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/08/26/190826085452468068.png

I still get a tiny black bar of one or two pixels whatever I do.

@Marty111 … I might have missed it in this now getting rather lengthy thread, but have you tried going to pan/crop on the video event/s and selecting "16:9 Widescreen TV aspect ratio" and then adjusting the pan/crop framing to fill the screen horizontally/horizonatlly? Obviously, if your original footage is other then 16:9, you are going to lose some of the image either vertically or horizontally to avoid black bars unless you opt for a squeeze solution.

It's already pan/cropped as it should. If I choose a preset like "16:9 Widescreen TV aspect ratio", then it changes the crop. As you just said, it's either squeezing or loosing, I want neither of these. I can't afford loosing because it would cut even more of the original video, and squeezing doesn't look good, it doesn't respect the original. I don't get it, it's so easy in paint shop pro to crop a jpeg to whatever picture format (even maybe 1pixel large by a thousand long). Why is it so hard with a video in Vegas ?

Why is it so hard with a video in Vegas ?

I doubt it would be any different in any other NLE. If you want to fill the 16:9 frame in television, then you have to compromise width or height if the original image is not 16:9 - so yes, you have to change the crop. If you are not willing to lose (not loose) any of the original non-16:9 image, then you have to accept black bars either horizontally or vertically within the 16:9 frame.

In PaintShop, if you want to fit an image to create a 16:9 aspect ratio, you also have to crop to achieve that 16:9 ratio in a similar fashion as in an NLE ( I do it regularly in PaintShop). As a previous comment pointed out, you can't have it both ways.