Vegas Industrial standards?

alextudm95 wrote on 9/14/2018, 7:00 AM

Hello everyone, this post is actually a lil bit off topic, but anyway I have some few questions about Vegas Pro in Film industry.

Today we had a conversations with our lecturer and she's said I'm a bad editor if I'm using different editing software besides Premiere Pro and Final cut which is I'm kinda disagreed, same goes with my friends, they all think the same way as me (most of it).The reason why she said that most of media out there using Premiere and Final for professional use's, not Sony Vegas and etc. (Yes she said Sony Vegas, so clearly I don't think she knew about Magix)

So I did some research on what Film and TV shows that was done in Vegas Pro:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/what-films-videos-edited-with-vegas--90634/

https://www.quora.com/Has-Sony-Vegas-ever-been-used-for-a-Hollywood-film

But most of it was done under "Sony Vegas" and not the latest Magix Vegas Pro software. If anyone knows please paste it here, Film/TV Shows that was done in the latest Magix Vegas Pro software.

Also is it possible to bridge Vegas Pro with another editing software like After effects for example, then it shouldn't be a problem if you're using Vegas and cross over with another softwares for more smooth workflow. I really wish Magix updated Vegas to have this features so everyone can work in different softwares. (Actually I do see the option to open VEG in Pr,AE,FCPX, but it will crash after I click it or just a blank timeline in Premiere Pro)

What do you think about the lecturer perspective? she even said "Goodluck with your Sony Vegas after you finish with your diploma"

She is MASSCOM lecturer btw

Comments

david-tu wrote on 9/14/2018, 7:31 AM

This has been a problem for Vegas for most of its life. It has never been accepted as a professional editor even though it is more capable than the others and can meet any broadcast or technical standard. It does not play well with others like Final Cut and Premiere.

But your teacher is out of line to say you are a "bad editor" if you use it so it is up to you to prove them wrong.

alextudm95 wrote on 9/14/2018, 7:36 AM

I haven't show her yet the content I've made with Vegas to her, because of Vegas I gain 17K subscribers on YouTube. Plus I make tutorial on how to make certain FX in Vegas. I need to gather more data to proof her wrong

david-tu wrote on 9/14/2018, 7:39 AM

Data is not necessary, results will work. Yes there have been features and documentaries created using Vegas but the teacher is already biased so only showing great quality results will work.

Musicvid wrote on 9/14/2018, 8:50 AM

-- "Tis a poor workman who blames his tools.

Teachers, like anyone else, tout the tools they are comfortable with, and tend to discredit the rest.

alextudm95 wrote on 9/14/2018, 9:29 AM

She said that if you're working with a someone who works on pr, then u have no choice to use it too. But if not mistaken vegas can export the project into Pr/AE project file..but it makes more sense unless ur doing 3D stuff in AE and back to Vegas for editing and so on

Nick Hope wrote on 9/14/2018, 9:50 AM

Terry Abraham uses Vegas Pro. His beautiful films get shown on prime time BBC (Link. Link). YouTube. Facebook.

 

Kinvermark wrote on 9/14/2018, 10:08 AM

The idea that Adobe is the center of the universe is a particularly pernicious marketing problem. What about AVID? (THE mainstay of Hollywood.) There is actually a huge variety of editing software choice, so the idea that everyone must use the same is patently false.

There are some links posted on the Vegas facebook page. Plus dig around here e.g. (Mauritania railway short). I will look when I have some time.

 

Red Prince wrote on 9/14/2018, 10:50 AM

She said that if you're working with a someone who works on pr, then u have no choice to use it too.

That cuts both ways. If someone wants to work with me, they better be Vegas compatible. I have never cared for any Adobe product, as they are deliberately incompatible with any industry standard. For example, as far as I know, none of their products work with the OFX industry standard.

About the only good thing that ever came out of Adobe was Postscript, but even then they kept the Type 1 font spec a secret until the rest of the industry created TrueType. Then suddenly they released the Type 1 spec, just to keep themselves from being thrown out to the bin of history.

He who knows does not speak; he who speaks does not know.
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Can you imagine the silence if everyone only said what he knows?
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karma17 wrote on 9/14/2018, 5:27 PM

No offense to your lecturer, but she sounds a bit arrogant and ill-informed. Just for fun, you should ask her what the most profitable movie in history was. If she is like most people, she will probably say Avatar. Then you can clarify, "I mean return on investment profit. Not gross profit." To that, my guess is she won't know. At that point, you can tell her it was Paranormal Activity. And then add that it was edited in Vegas Pro.

Anything that can be done in Premiere or FCP can be done in Vegas. For her to say that you are a bad editor is absurd and honestly, going forward, I would take what she says with a grain of salt.

I can edit the same film or project in all three, and she would not be able to tell the difference. With Resolve now being a fully-functional NLE, does she think that's a fool's tool too?

To be fair, Vegas did have some catching up to do and was neglected by Sony while they pursued their Catalyst Suite. But now Magix has made great strides and is back in the game albeit I don't think Vegas ever really left. Certainly, the world of video editing is more than a two-horse town. You'd think she'd know that as a lecturer.

 

 

Kinvermark wrote on 9/14/2018, 6:57 PM

Paranormal activity...that's the one I was trying to remember. :)

Here's an older listing:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/what-films-videos-edited-with-vegas--90634/

Tim Stannard wrote on 9/15/2018, 9:00 AM

I haven't show her yet the content I've made with Vegas to her, because of Vegas I gain 17K subscribers on YouTube.

Actuallyu with that statement you are almost as guilty as your lecturer. You have gained 17K subscribers because of your content and skills. It has nothing to do with the fact you used Vegas :)

fr0sty wrote on 9/15/2018, 11:07 AM

A few things to point out to your lecturer...

1. Vegas offers scripting support to enhance her program's performance as much as some paid plugins offer for free.

2. Mention that Vegas has far superior audio tools vs. Premiere, and functions as a complete DAW on its own.

3. Last time I checked, there were no options to preview 10 bit or higher video full screen in Premiere.

4. Premiere's HDR is fake (last time I checked, they forced colors to Rec709 color space, no BT2020.

5. You could always challenge her to a face off cutting video... I'm willing to bet you get yours done faster...

6. Final Cut is a great app that you have to overpay just to use (just buying the mac in the first place is overpaying), it isn't compatible with as many formats, so it will force "ingesting" certain formats into ProRes. While editing in intermediates is recommended in most cases, it is nice to have the compatibility with the raw formats straight from the camera if I only need to use a few angles max and don't want to spend the time making proxies and intermediates. Apple does do a fantastic job of keeping it on the bleeding edge with new features coming frequently, but the only reason it gets used as widely as it does is because it is on mac, and many people who are intimidated by PCs go to mac.

7. Vegas supports OpenGL video output at 10 bit full screen, and even more compatibility with even more display hardware is in the works.

8. Perpetual licenses... This alone should be the deal breaker. Not all of us like a monthly drain on our bank accounts, thought Vegas still offers Vegas 365 for those of us who might want to try it on a project without committing.

9. With Premiere, what you see isn't always what you get. I've had beautiful video come out of AME washed out and flat. Encode speeds are not much if any faster than Vegas. In some cases it seems slower.

Also, I've talked to Magix about the exporting issues when exporting projects to other apps, and they have stated they are focusing a lot of attention on trying to improve that aspect of Vegas Pro, so expect that to be addressed in future updates/versions.

 

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 9/15/2018, 3:49 PM

our lecturer and she's said I'm a bad editor if I'm using different editing software besides Premiere Pro and Final cut....she said that most of media out there using Premiere and Final for professional use's, not Sony Vegas and etc. (Yes she said Sony Vegas.

That, would have me putting her in her place right there and then...... Without any apology, that lecturer is misinformed, arrogant and out of touch on so many levels.

alextudm95 wrote on 9/16/2018, 11:44 PM

A few things to point out to your lecturer...

1. Vegas offers scripting support to enhance her program's performance as much as some paid plugins offer for free.

2. Mention that Vegas has far superior audio tools vs. Premiere, and functions as a complete DAW on its own.

3. Last time I checked, there were no options to preview 10 bit or higher video full screen in Premiere.

4. Premiere's HDR is fake (last time I checked, they forced colors to Rec709 color space, no BT2020.

5. You could always challenge her to a face off cutting video... I'm willing to bet you get yours done faster...

6. Final Cut is a great app that you have to overpay just to use (just buying the mac in the first place is overpaying), it isn't compatible with as many formats, so it will force "ingesting" certain formats into ProRes. While editing in intermediates is recommended in most cases, it is nice to have the compatibility with the raw formats straight from the camera if I only need to use a few angles max and don't want to spend the time making proxies and intermediates. Apple does do a fantastic job of keeping it on the bleeding edge with new features coming frequently, but the only reason it gets used as widely as it does is because it is on mac, and many people who are intimidated by PCs go to mac.

7. Vegas supports OpenGL video output at 10 bit full screen, and even more compatibility with even more display hardware is in the works.

8. Perpetual licenses... This alone should be the deal breaker. Not all of us like a monthly drain on our bank accounts, thought Vegas still offers Vegas 365 for those of us who might want to try it on a project without committing.

9. With Premiere, what you see isn't always what you get. I've had beautiful video come out of AME washed out and flat. Encode speeds are not much if any faster than Vegas. In some cases it seems slower.

Also, I've talked to Magix about the exporting issues when exporting projects to other apps, and they have stated they are focusing a lot of attention on trying to improve that aspect of Vegas Pro, so expect that to be addressed in future updates/versions.

 

Thank you so much for the explanation! I feel down when she said bad about Vegas