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Vegas Movie Studio (up to ver. 17)on 5/2/2013
Is there a bug with MainConcept rendering?
Just an update for anybody with the same trouble: I got a response from Sony today (after nearly 2 months). They managed to recreate the problem, and said: "MainConcept 4, although it can work on youtube, sometimes does have issues like these" ... which is interesting seeing as MainConcept is now the template for 'Internet' rendering! They advised me to use Sony AVC, which is what I decided to do a couple of months ago anyway. I see there's a new build available now, BUILD 896 64-bit. I will try this soon. I'm sure this will fix some old bugs... and introduce some new ones :) Here's the full response from Sony: Hi , Thank you for contacting Sony Creative Software. I apologize for the lengthy response time to your technical support inquiry. We have been experiencing an increase in support demands from new product launches and we have fallen a bit behind on service requests. We have been working diligently to answer as many emails as possible in the order that they were received. I hope you understand and sincerely appreciate your patience. I have simulated this behavior on my machine and spoken with our techs on this particular aspect ratio issue. It seems to be intended behavior with the format with this output. When you are telling it to fit to screen you are telling the device, whether youtube or your television to change the dimensions to fit because those dimensions are not 1280x720. For youtube we actually recommend rendering to a 1920x1080 as it is closer to the youtube dimensions. MainConcept 4, although it can work on youtube, sometimes does have issues like these. We would recommend using either the Sony AVC/MVC MPEG-2 format or WMV, but it appears you are already using this format without running into this issue. If you still have a follow-up question on this particular incident, please feel free to update it. If you have a completely different question, please create a new incident. Sincerely, Kim N. Customer Service Sony Creative Software Inc www.sonycreativesoftware.com
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Vegas Movie Studio (up to ver. 17)on 3/14/2013
Is there a bug with MainConcept rendering?
Musicvid: I wasn't suddenly too busy to provide the relevant information, it's just that what you asked for was a bit overwealming when I've never even used Dropbox, Mediafile or Googledrive. I thought it would be much quicker for Sony Support, or any interested reader, to render just 10 seconds of a single JPEG photo using the render settings listed in my first post than it would be for me to learn how to use Dropbox or Googledrive. But if sample videos on a sharing site is what's needed, then that's what I'll do.
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Vegas Movie Studio (up to ver. 17)on 3/13/2013
Is there a bug with MainConcept rendering?
Hi Pete, I used to use Sony AVC but after upgrading to Movie Studio 12 I noticed that the Internet AVC MP4 templates had been moved from Sony AVC to MainConcept AV, so I did a load of test renders with Sony and MainConcept using the same bitrates and settings and compared them using screen grabs (screen snapshots) at various points. I found that when my video had a lot of movement, MainConcept gave me slightly sharper images with less artifacts around areas of detail. But then I'm rendering at between 8 and 16Mbps, not 26Mbps, so things might be different at your bitrate. So unfortunately I can't use MainConcept with a 'High' profile because of the above problems. I'm also getting occassional strange results when rendering MainConcept using my GPU (NVIDIA GeForce GTX675M), so my current render choices are: 1. Sony AVC using CPU or GPU (fastest render, quality not quite as good as MainConcept) 2. MainConcept, 'Main' profile, CPU (best quality but REALLY slow to render) Cheers, Daz.
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Vegas Movie Studio (up to ver. 17)on 3/13/2013
Is there a bug with MainConcept rendering?
Thanks for your responses. Musicvid, my detailed render settings are in my first post. Unfortunately I can't put any more time into playing with this fault, but as far as I can tell the problem can be replicated simply by rendering MainConcept AVC MP4 using HIGH profile and then either uploading to YouTube or playing on a TV that has the "Fit to Screen" display option. I've opened a support ticket with Sony and given them all the details, I'll let you know the outcome. Thanks, Daz.
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Vegas Movie Studio (up to ver. 17)on 3/11/2013
Is there a bug with MainConcept rendering?
There is definitely a bug with the MainConcept MP4 HIGH profile that affects the aspect ratio of the rendered video. I've only tried this with 1280x720 so far, but it might also affect 1080p. You can test this quickly by creating a new 720p project, importing any photo or short video clip into the timeline and rendering to MainConcept MP4 with a HIGH profile (Baseline and Main profiles are fine). Choose CPU rendering with either VBR or CBR. Note that Rendering using the combination of VBR & CUDA will be OK most of the time but not all of the time. The proof of the incorrect aspect ratio of the render can be seen by either: 1) uploading to YouTube, where YouTube will compain about "Irregularities in aspect ratio", or 2) by viewing on a modern TV that has the "Fit to Screen" display option. You will see that the rendered video has black bars at the sides. I'd be interested if somebody else could try this. I'm really disappointed because MainConcept seemed a little sharper than Sony AVC. Cheers, Daz.
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Vegas Movie Studio (up to ver. 17)on 3/10/2013
Is there a bug with MainConcept rendering?
Thanks Mike, I think that's a good suggestion about rendering the 4:3 footage separately then importing into my 16:9 project. I'll give that a try tomorrow using AVI uncompressed so I don't degrade the quality. I've learned a bit more about the problem: 1) YouTube is now giving me the warning "..Irregularities in aspect ratio" when I upload the MainConcept VBR CUDA render (previously, YouTube had been happy with this render). So now it seems that YouTube has problems with ALL of my renders using MainConcept... but this could just be when de-interlacing 4:3 clips in my 16:9 720p video... I'll have to experiment more. 2) Whenever I get the "Irregularities in aspect ratio" from YouTube, the final processed video on YouTube has a slightly changed aspect ratio (I only found this out by taking and comparing screen snapshots). So even though MediaInfo says my video is 1280x720, YouTube doesn't think it is, and is changing my video aspect... hence the rubbish 720p quality on YouTube.
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Vegas Movie Studio (up to ver. 17)on 3/10/2013
Is there a bug with MainConcept rendering?
Thanks for gettings back to me Pete. I tried setting the rendering quality to "best" in the rendering settings but it made no difference. I do have some 4:3 clips in my 16:9 720p video, so maybe YouTube is picking up on those, but I've had no problem doing this in the past, and it only seems to be with certain MainConcept render settings. Hmm, in the past my 4:3 clips have been progressive, whereas this time I am de-interlacing (blending). Maybe that has something to do with it, or maybe YouTube are reprogramming their system, or there's a problem with MainConcept in Movie Studio 12. I'm all out of ideas.
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Vegas Movie Studio (up to ver. 17)on 2/20/2013
.vf File Association Problems Movie Studio 12 (64)
That worked for me too! Yep, the solution is to uninstall Movie Studio 12 and then re-install using the downloadable latest version from www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/updates (build 756). Thanks everyone.
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Vegas Movie Studio (up to ver. 17)on 2/19/2013
.vf File Association Problems Movie Studio 12 (64)
Thanks RedFox, good to know I'm not the only one. If there are two of us you can bet there are many more. This problem isn't the end of the world but it's annoying and inefficient to have to open the .vf files from within Movie Studio. Thanks to the guys who suggested re-installing. If I want to try the downloadable installer instead of my retail CD ROM, which file do I download and run? - the 'Build 756' file or the 'Trial Movie Studio 12' file? I contacted Support 3 days ago and I've been given an incident number. I'll post the solution if they ever give me one. I think the problem is registry-related. Using Windows 7 Event Viewer I can see an event saying the detection of product feature "installer_data" failed, and it says "The resource 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Sony Creative Software\Movie Studio Platinum\12.0\Update\' does not exist". Thanks, Daz.
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Vegas Movie Studio (up to ver. 17)on 2/17/2013
.vf File Association Problems Movie Studio 12 (64)
Hi, thanks for getting back to me but the .vf file is already permanently associated with Movie Studio 12. The .vf files are already shown in explorer with the new Movie Studio 12 icon, but the association isn't complete because double clicking the .vf file brings up those two pop-up windows I mentioned: 1. "Please wait while Windows configures Movie Studio Platinum 12.0 (64-bit)" 2. "Movie Studio Platinum 12 (64-bit) must be installed from DVD or the downloaded installer" I think something is missing in the registry to complete the file association. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Daz.
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