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Videoon 3/20/2023
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These new, power hungry GPU's can cause problems for less than stellar power supplies from reputable venders. I'm not in the market for spending $900+ for a GPU myself, which would mean spending a lot on a power supply also. I'm not on a demanding editing schedule, and my middling PC gets the job done. Hmm…it makes me wonder, if and when it’s released, if the successor to the RX 6700 XT, the RX 7700 XT, will have any of these problems. I wonder if AMD released the RX 7900 XT and RX 7900 XTX a tad too early because of compentition. And, as a result, they didn’t give themselves enough time to iron out these problems, so to speak. Also wondering about what voltage is coming from the wall outlet too and is it filtered/clean. Or the GPU could be defective. Hmm…I know it wouldn’t be impossible to get lemon, so to speak. AMD do really need to fix these issues.To be absolutely honest, I was so increbly tempted to upgrade my AMD Ryzen 7 1700 and RX 580 to the Ryzen 9 7900 (65W) and RX 7900 XT because they sounded like a pretty decent upgrade. However, after see the problems with the RX 7900 XTX, I then decided against it.
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Videoon 3/18/2023
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Shut off could be transitory power spikes? Maybe drivers or bios can mitigate that. Hmm…that’s interesting. Has NVIDIA had an issue like this with their cards?
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Videoon 3/16/2023
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And while the video posted above is nice, it's with Premiere Pro and their specific experience. It's like using Vegas and reading about someone with an issue with it that you aren't experiencing. You know, you paint that very well, and I agree. But I do wonder why his whole computer shut off, even just with Windows. Although he does not say, I do wonder if part of his issue might have been some conflict with other drivers since he did have an NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti, IIRC, installed in his system beforehand and that might’ve caused some problems with having GPU drivers for both NVIDIA and AMD. Unless drivers for both cards and from both companies can coexist and have no issues. But I don’t know because I’ve never had the chance to experience if that is an issue.
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Videoon 3/16/2023
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This is a video about the 7900xt and Premiere.Pro. That’s interesting that you post this. I actually watch that guys videos now and then and I have seen that specific video. Thanks for posting, though. 👍
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Videoon 3/16/2023
Computer Upgrade
Something separately to this is that I have been really thinking about is the new AMD RX 7900 XT with its 20GB of vRAM, which would be more than enough vRAM for anything. What’s anyone’s non-bias opinion of it? The technical specifications are great for sure. Your are aware about the driver situation, and you know that nobody has tested that in Vegas up to now, as far as we know here. But if you wish to test that, I would say feel free to do so! ;) Well, I was almost tempted, but given AMD’s driver issues, I think I’ll let someone else test it. 😁
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Videoon 3/16/2023
Computer Upgrade
We don't know Vegas is getting a new engine let alone what year it will come. I'd buy for today as GPUs are sellable and replaceable later. Ah okay. I believe I misunderstood. No worries. Alright, well I will be going with the i5-13600K and an NVIDIA GPU, whatever that ends up being. I haven’t had an Intel/NVIDIA-based system for 5.5+ years. So I’m sure I’ll appreciate the performance increase and the better compatibility with more software. Look at the Vegas benchmarks which shows RTX30XX and 40XX and RX6XXX (AMD) and also general benchmarks for your favorite games or other software. I may look at those again. And, yeah, I already have. AMD releases a lot of non-WHQL drivers, all of which I consider betas whereas NVIDIA at least tests them that much (though there is a current mobile issue with previews not updating in Vegas). Well, even with my own AMD RX 580 driver issues that I spoke about, the upgrade and better stability will be nice.
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Videoon 3/16/2023
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Regarding the AMD RX 7900 XT I don't think anyone's tested it in Vegas. I wouldn't sign up to test it myself, esp. given the state of AMD drivers. We have quite a few RTX 4000 series NVIDIA in the benchmarks I listed (see my signature). I know AMD’s drivers are a bit troublsome at the moment. My RX 580 (although I updated it to the latest driver recently) made my two displays blackout with just opening a web browser, I believe. I thought that was odd. It hadn’t done it again after that. But I did think it was rather strange for it to do that. So, they do need to fix their driver issues. I know NVIDIA their own share of driver issues so I aint pointing the finger at any one company. sometimes drivers do have some problems for whatever reason and they need to be fixed. For CPU, I'd rather have the Intel iGPU as Intel accelerates more formats than its rivals. Well, I have decided to keep with the i5-13600K. I do plan to go with that. what specific new decode/render engine are you referring to, do you mean of VEGAS Pro On the forum it's been hinted that in the long-run Vegas needs and will get a new engine as the existing one has limitations but recent fixes have been about stability so I wouldn't buy hardware for software that may not be anywhere near release and for which we have no idea what GPUs will work best! So, would the recommendation be to not upgrade one’s computer until VEGAS Pro has this new engine? On the other hand, though, I am not just upgrading my PC for video editing. As I noted in another thread of mine, I’m also wanting upgrade so that I can play the new game that I got for my birthday, that being Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (AKA — Microsoft Flight Simulator 40th Anniversary Edition). So, with that in mind, what would the recommendation be?
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Videoon 3/15/2023
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Something separately to this is that I have been really thinking about is the new AMD RX 7900 XT with its 20GB of vRAM, which would be more than enough vRAM for anything. What’s anyone’s non-bias opinion of it? To be honest, having an all AMD PC build, from someone who had an HP Pre-built Intel/NVIDIA-based system before my current one, I have been pretty impressed with its performance. It’s just that I have started really noticing its age these days. So, as you might understand, I have been tempted to go with an all AMD upgrade again, with an AMD Ryzen 9 7900 and RX 7900 XT, as I have become used to AMD’s hardware performance.On that note, though, the CPU and GPU specs of the HP pre-built were as follows: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 NVIDIA GT 430 1GB vRAM (updated from what it came with, of which I think was the NVIDIA 8400GS, but I could be wrong about that). 4GB of DDR2 RAM (it initially came with 2GB) So, as you can see, anything would’ve been quite a quite a significant upgrade for me compared to that.
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Videoon 3/15/2023
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Vegas Insider Wolfgang recommends 12GB too. The new decoder/render engine(?) may be here by the end of the year, and if you upgraded infrequently such as you're doing now, it won't be for another 6 years you upgrade, you want to get things right the first time, we don't know what the requirements will be. I hear what you’re saying. I am definitely aware of that. But, as the saying goes, the grass is always greener on the other side. In saying that, what specific new decode/render engine are you referring to, do you mean of VEGAS Pro or of the RTX 4070 possibly coming out (as you might be aware, there is already an RTX 4070Ti out that some seem to say is overpriced and not good value for money). Nothing more soul destroying then trading your very expensive GPU for 1/2 of what you paid, to buy and even more expensive GPU. Soul destroying might be a tad extreme, but I get what you mean, and I agree. I would probably say disappointing myself, or having buyer’s remorse. For this reason I try to never rush into things but consider different options and think about them carefully. But you ask your questions, you get varied opinions, it's then up to you. I hear what you’re saying and I am definitely aware of that.
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Videoon 3/15/2023
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This may be a silly question, but can you actually feel the speed of an M.2 PCIe drive vs that of a normal 500MB/s+ SATA SSD? It's not a silly question and it depends. The big jump from HDDs is the near-instant seek times as well as the massive transfer speeds. For m.2 you won't notice a difference for normal use but that doesn't mean there isn't one. Well, that’s good food for thought. The instant seek times coming from a HDD we’re definitely noticeable. Raw or high bitrate video (or a few streams at once) could exceed what a SATA SSD can do let alone additional disk access needed for Windows and program cache. With an M.2 NVMe it's just not an issue. Well, what I do mustn’t be all too demanding on PC hardware because I’ve never really notice any real issues with what you mentioned here. But that may change with a particular family related project that I’m planning to do. For brands I did research and went with a Hynix p41 which I recommend- esp. when there are sales (got a good price from Amazon). I have heard of that brand. I have Samsung SATA SSD’s myself. I might take a look but I want to keep within budget. I think that something that has to be understood, and I hope it is, is that we pay more for things here in Australia. For vram I think the amounts reflect what Frosty does- complex multicam setups for projections with Fx. The rest of his hardware is similarly high end. As someone who shoots more documentary-type projects I haven't seen the need. But if you can afford it... Yes, I think 8GB is plenty, myself.
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Videoon 3/15/2023
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@john_dennis | Okay, I have obviously misunderstood something. Thanks for taking the time to look that up for me. I will look at getting a PCIe M.2 SSD drive.
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Videoon 3/15/2023
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I had the same reasoning with the i5-13600K (better than 12th gen i7 and power efficient), works well with air cooling with thermal headroom left over, and am very happy with it. Yeah, I agree with all of that and I’m glad that you are. I wasn't willing to pay for a 3070 or better card and the 2080 Super seemed to outperform 3060s in benchmarks for about $300 US. It works well in VP 20 and 8GB is enough for everything I've thrown at it so far. Yeah, I do find it hard to justify paying over AU$1,300 for a graphics card, if I’m to be honest. Compared to my current RX 580, the RTX 3060 Ti is quite a significant upgrade for me. And, like you, I have found 8GB of vRAM to be sufficient for what I edit. It's your system but I'd use one m.2 slot for a boot drive with your OS and cache My MB has 4 and doesn't block any of the PCI slots or anything else (MSI z690 Tomahawk). It has another 6 SATAIII slots. Prices are quite reasonable for 1 or even 2GB m.2 drives if you get a sale. Well, I’ll certainly look into. This may be a silly question, but can you actually feel the speed of an M.2 PCIe drive vs that of a normal 500MB/s+ SATA SSD? I remember, on an old HP pre-built system that I had, upgrading the boot drive to a Samsung 850 EVO vs that of the HDD and it, quite literally, shaved a whole minute of the HP PC’s 1 minute and 20 second boot up time and I was amazed. So, would I see that kind of performance difference with an M.2 PCIe SSD? Also, if I were to get one, what ones would be recommended? M.2 (Hynix p41 2tb) vs SATA (Crucial m500 1tb) The m.2's never going to be a bottleneck with anything I do whereas the SATA drive can get saturated doing a few things at once. That is some food for thought.
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Videoon 3/14/2023
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Please don't buy a motherboard with four M.2 slots and boot from SATA disks. Well, mate, I kind of have to do that because I’m not planning to buy any M.2 SSD’s at this stage and the two SSD’s that I do have connect via SATA. Also, if I were to use one M.2 slot on the chosen motherboard then I’d loose a SATA port that I actually need. As you see, my PC case is the NZXT H440 and it comes with a lot of drive storage space and I plan to eventually use them all the best that I can.
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Videoon 3/14/2023
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I'd recommend a bit over 8GB on the GPU, personally... especially if you're a gamer, you're going to want a 3080 minimum, and you're going to want Nvidia (even though the fastest VEGAS benchmarks are on Intel+AMD GPU systems). Well, alright, so an Intel i5-13600K + an RTX 3080 would be a better combo, you think? I have personally chosen the i5-13600K because it’s AU$84 cheaper than the Intel Core i7-12700K that I was going to go with and decently faster. I also wanted to still go with an air cooler, as you can see in my PCPP list, it’s what I’ve chosen. This is because I don’t want to risk AIO liquid cooling and the maintenance that they seem to require.
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Videoon 3/14/2023
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Well, given all this helpful info, it looks like the Intel/NVIDIA option is the best way forward. As far as vRAM goes, I have, personally, found 8GB to be enough for me. My RX 580 with it’s 8GB of vRAM has been sufficient. I mainly work with 4K25 H.264 and H.265 (HEVC) and I believe 8GB should be enough. But thanks for the suggestion @Wolfgang S. So, the upgrade to the RTX 3060Ti should suffice. As of right now, this looks to be what my updated system will look like: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/dXwHH2
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Videoon 3/14/2023
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@RogerS | @Wolfgang S. | Thanks guys for your input. I do appreciate it. One thing I have thought about, though, and perhaps this isn’t so much an issue these days, but I remember seeing a video on YouTube (at least I believe it was on there), or perhaps it was some website, that showed that, even though Intel’s iGPUs do a pretty good at playing back smoothly many CoDecs that many other GPUs can but just might not appear to do it as well, and even render out to various video formats quite well and quickly, that the video quality of videos rendered out with an Intel iGPU weren’t as good as, say, AMD or Intel. Have either of you found that to be the case?
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Videoon 2/14/2023
Vegas Pro 20 stuttering preview and slow rendering
Just out of curiosity, as it apparently can make a positive difference (although, I have no personal experience with this, but others on here do), do you have NVIDIA’s Game Ready drivers installed or Studio Drivers for your RTX 3060Ti? As it appears that VEGAS Pro likes NVIDIA’s Studio drivers.
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Videoon 2/10/2023
VEGAS Post 20 Questions
It appears, from my experience, that despite what is said in MAGIX’ Terms and Conditions, people outside the EU or EEA can still receive that 14 day withdrawal period and obtain a refund with no explanation whatsoever, as per the terms.
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Offtopicon 2/9/2023
why is the installer so slow. like on 90's internet slow
I’m wondering if they fixed something, because I downloaded the entire VEGAS Post 20 suite via the MAGIX download manager and they all downloaded pretty quickly. Almost 4.3GB in ~10 minutes give or take a few.
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Videoon 2/9/2023
VEGAS Post 20 Questions
@MH7, I have bank accounts in both the US and here in Poland (EU). When I was in "chat" it was made while I was here in Poland., so maybe they knew and said 14 days. But I am not sure. When I open the Magix website and it asks for country location, I select United States. Ah, okay. Well, for what it’s worth, I sent an email to MAGIX asking about this that, despite not currently wanting to obtain a refund for my purchase of VEGAS Post 20 at this present time, because it’s currently working fine on my computer system, if it would be at all possible for me to obtain one or would I be disqualified from obtaining a refund because of the fact that my country, Australia, not being in the EU or EEA? I just sent the email about 9 minutes ago so I’ll have to wait and see what they say.
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Videoon 2/9/2023
VEGAS Post 20 Questions
When I was trying to trial Post and couldn't, I contacted live chat. Their suggestion was to buy it and I'd have 14 days to decide before asking for a refund. There was no mention of where I lived on the planet. Now, do they know who I actually am and where I reside? To your question, I’d have to think they’d have to know something about your location because there are different version of the www.vegascreativesoftware.com site. For example, the site in my location, Australia, the website is www.vegascreativesoftware.com/au/. And in the email I got that mentioned about “cancelling the contract” they did not mention that disclaimer. @Reyfox brings up a good point.
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Videoon 2/9/2023
VEGAS Post 20 Questions
When I was trying to trial Post and couldn't, @Reyfox To test a trial, you need to de-activate the existing Vegas on your system and then request a trial serial number to input. I don’t believe that’s the case, unless it’s a subscription, because you can have multiple versions of VEGAS Pro install on a single PC.
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Videoon 2/9/2023
VEGAS Post 20 Questions
The following is from the ACCC's website re buying from overseas-based company: Overseas online businesses When an online business is based overseas and provides goods or services directly to consumers in Australia, the business must follow the Australian Consumer Law, including the consumer guarantees. In practice it can be difficult to get a repair, replacement or refund from an overseas business if there is a problem with the product or service, and Australian consumer protection agencies can only provide limited help. I recall reading something very much along these lines in a Choice article not all that long ago - it may well have been the same ACCC quote. Also, I don't think that Australian Consumer Law (ACL) covers change of mind refunds - retailers who do offer change of mind refunds are, as far as I am aware, doing that on a voluntary basis. Thanks for looking that up. I tried looking myself but had some trouble. Oh well, I did think a lot about my purchase of VEGAS Post 20. I never just rush into buying anything. Some might say I’m too cautious. So, when I finally bought the upgrade it was with much thought and consideration. I’m just happy it was half price.
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Videoon 2/9/2023
VEGAS Post 20 Questions
B — For The Delivery of Digital Content. Right of Withdrawal You have the right to withdraw from this contract within fourteen days without stating a reason… If that came from Point 3 of the Ts &Cs, there is a rider to all of what follows under Point 3, that being: Only for consumers who are habitually resident in a state that is a member of the EU or the EEA, this § 3 applies. Unfortunately, Australia is not a member of the EU or EEA. I wish we were then we'd also be eligible for compensation from airlines when things go wrong with flights under EU airline compensation rules. Well, unless I am mistaken, I do believe that our own Australian Consumer Law (I’d have to look it up) has something about the purchasing of goods if you’re not happy with the purchase of something. I’m sure I’ll be happy with my purchase. But I do believe that we do have certain rights here in Aus for things bought overseas. BorisFX Primatte Studio is a chromakeyer - https://borisfx.com/products/continuum-filters/primatte-studio/?collection=continuum-premium-filters&product=continuum-filter-primatte-studio Ah, okay. Well I’m sure that’ll come in handy at some point. Thank you. Edit: Edited my post accordingly.
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