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Videoon 7/29/2012
OT: New Computer Specs
Birk Binnard wrote: "Again, it might be true that rendering would go a bit faster if Vegas's input or output were on the SSD, but my guess is it wouldn't go all that much faster. It seems to me that what matters most is having separate devices for rendering input and output." From what I understand, the reason for the speed difference is based on the fact that SATA communication can only go one way at a time. If you were to use the same drive for both reading and writing, the drive has to stop and go all the time. Meanwhile, using two drives means both drives can zoom along at full speed. And I know it's not just a theory. I have seen the difference it makes having two drives. And having two RAID drives just send your computer blazind as fast as it can; no worries about bottlenecks.
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Videoon 7/28/2012
Upgrading to i7-3930K
JohnnyRoy wrote: "I got between a 6x - 7x improvement in render speed (or to put it another way 600% to 700% boost!!!) I realize that most of you may have upgraded to the original Core i7 a year or two ago while I stayed with the older Core 2 Quad technology so it wasn't as much of a boost for you but I couldn't be happier with my new workstation. I'm also seeing a difference in playback speed in the render tests. I can play the RenderTest-2010 back at full frame rate using Best(Half) while on my old Quad Core, Best(Half) would only yield 12 - 15fps. (...) Graphics Card: PNY NVIDIA Quadro 4000" You would see even better times if you had a GTX580 GPU for example... but who would turn their nose at a 600 to 800% improvement. ;-) If you decide to add a RAID, do buy a card. But that's where the WS motherboard shows its strength over the other models. It is built for people who want to do that kind of stuff. Just today, ASUS released a BIOS upgrade just to improve system stability. I like that kind of support.
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Videoon 7/21/2012
Vegas 12 may not be coming out soon
Nope but Video Studio was released in early June 2011. We are now more than half way through July and there is still no inkling that a new version will be coming out soon. My bet is that Vegas Pro 12 will not be out until the end of this year or early next year.
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Videoon 7/10/2012
What features of Sony Vegas Pro uses OpenCL
When it comes to the ATI/AMD cards, I believe support starts with model Radeon HD 5770.
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Videoon 7/9/2012
Upgrading to i7-3930K
JohnnyRoy wrote: "I looked at the WS board but it doesn't have external eSata ports which are critical for me for attaching external storage." Actually, eSata ports are not all that necessary. USB 3 ports are supposed to be just as fast, if not faster than eSATA.
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Videoon 7/8/2012
OT: Intel;s ‘quick sync’
Intel's Quick Sync is a form of GPU rendering. It is done with chips that has onboard HD graphics. You also need a Z68 or Z77 mobo. So, if you are already using GPU rendering with an NVidia card, for example, then you have no use for Quick Sync. It would not make things any faster for you.
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Videoon 7/8/2012
Upgrading to i7-3930K
Mikeof7 wrote: "3 ea 2TB Seagate 7200rpm source and render drives (may set up a RAID zero with two of them for source and project files)" If you are going to go the way of the RAID, let me suggest you go with the ASUS P9X79 WS motherboard. It is built for that kind of thing. I originally made the mistake of buying a PRO version. But it turns out that ASUS places all its resources behind the WS mobo to make sure it is a true WorkStation mobo. They constantly tweak the BIOS here and there to ensure maximum compatibility with workstation parts such as RAID cards. I am telling you, it made a huge difference with my machine.
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Videoon 7/7/2012
How fast are your renders? GPU and no GPU
videolTguy wrote: "Are you running Sata drives (no raid config.?)" That made me think. When I rendered without GPU the other day, I did not take advantage of my RAID drives. I have an SSD as a system drive and two RAID 0 drives (one for the source footage, the other to render to). Yesterday, reading and writing to the same drive, I rendered the PressReleaseProject in 1:48. So I did it again today making sure I took advantage of the RAID configuration this time. I chopped off 20 seconds! Hard drives can AND do cause a bottle neck when rendering.
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Videoon 7/6/2012
nvidea driver
There is no onboard video card on my mobo. It is an X79 workstation motherboard. The fact that the X79 chipset does not include a video card is one very strong point in its favor.
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Videoon 7/6/2012
nvidea driver
Pilsburypie wrote: "What is this rendertest VEG? Where can I get it?" It is a project created by SONY to show how using a GPU can boost the performance of VEGAS 11 Pro. Here is the link: http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro/gpuacceleration You'll see examples of GPU acceleration. Towards the bottom of the page, you'll find a link to the project. It'll say "download the files here."
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Videoon 7/6/2012
nvidea driver
I did a cold boot and reinstallation but it just didn't help. I still can't use my 680 for rendering in Vegas. But it doesn't matter too much because I can render without any difficulty in PP CS6. Early adopters have to deal with a very basic side of life: they have to wait until all the dust settles before their new fangled toys are working as they should. As for your RAID, make sure you keep your data on a separate drive than your final render. SATA is not good with two way communications.
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Videoon 7/6/2012
nvidea driver
By the way, render without GPU was 1:48. However, the new driver does not seem to help. I still cannot render using the 680.
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Videoon 7/6/2012
nvidea driver
OK, I found the beta driver you were talking about. I'll try it now. The one on EVGA didn't fix the render problem.
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Videoon 7/6/2012
nvidea driver
EVGA's download center is great for finding the latest drivers. http://www.evga.com/support/download/
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Videoon 7/5/2012
Upgrading home system - Core i5 or i7?
The 3930K has not been around for that long either. But right from the start, it busted its way straight to the top. Even an overclocked 3770K will not beat a similarly overclocked 3930K. You are comparing 6 cores/12 threads with 4 cores/8 threads. Even out of the box, not overclocked, the 3930K gives you much better results in Premiere Pro CS5.5. I haven't found any benchmarks using CS6. All data I have found shows an improvement over the 2600K and 2700K. But not over the 3930K and 3960X.
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Videoon 7/5/2012
Upgrading home system - Core i5 or i7?
Guy, The Premiere Pro users have a very, very fancy test file that they run to find out how their systems perform. Just about anything that can influence the results is taken into account: RAM size, disk speed, RAID, etc. http://ppbm5.com/DB-PPBM5-2.php Take a look at it and look for the best Ivy Bridge CPUs and how high they rate. The last time I looked, it was 82nd. Next, take a look at the Sandy Bridge machines. An I7-3930K is in second place, right behind a dual XEON X5680. I do believe it says something about the platform.
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Videoon 7/5/2012
Which Desktop?
An AMD processor would be the last thing on my list of potential purchases. If you check the AMD CPU performance, you'll see that every single one of their chips fall way behind Intel's.
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Videoon 7/3/2012
Avid dumps Pinnacle
Avid tried to improve the product but quickly gave up. There hasn't been any real update in many months as far as I know. Last summer, users were complaining about a lack of support.
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Videoon 7/1/2012
GTX260 quicker than GTX690-what have I done wrong?
Bullboykennels wrote: "I have 2 EVGA GTX 680 FTW cards & have used both the latest drivers & beta drivers. No matter what when ever I render out to main concept it always says "An error occurred while creating the media file xxxxx.mp4" & yes it does say cuda is available." I have the same problem with 1 GTX 680. However, I can get around this problem if I use the Sony AVC codec. One more thing: using 2 video cards or using a double GPU card does not accelerate the process. All video editing software can only take advantage of one GPU. That's one lesson I learned last Winter.
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Videoon 7/1/2012
6-core Render Speeds: 3930K vs. 980X?
Over all, the 3930K is a better CPU. I have never used a 990X but all performance tests indicate the 3930K is better. If you invest $1,000 in a 990X, you know your hardware will have reached the end of its line. The mobo will not be good enough to upgrade to a newer CPU later on. Meanwhile, $1,000 on a 3930K system means you will still be able to upgrade the CPU at a later time. Not only that, the X79 mobos are PCIe 3.0 ready. That means you'll be able to upgrade your video card to whatever comes out within the coming years when you still have your system. Keeping an older mobo limits your possibilities in the future if you want to upgrade the GPU. There are very valid arguments that can be used for both points. I don't think too many people end up replacing their CPUs. But the part about GPUs, plus the fact that it is faster should push the scale in favor of a newer system. As far as mobos go, I would highly recomment you go for the ASUS X79 WS. It is a workstation mobo and allows for the use of XEON as well as I7 processors. Not only that, they are more compatible with serious hardware like RAID cards. Go to the ASUS web site and take a look at how much support goes behind the WS mobo versus all the other X79 mobos. It is quite impressive. Nicol
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Videoon 6/23/2012
Upgrading to i7-3930K
CorTed wrote: "Nicol, thanks for the heads up on these fans." I always thought we were here to help one another. Hardware is what I know best.
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Videoon 6/18/2012
Upgrading to i7-3930K
JohnnyRoy wrote: "Thanks Nicol. Just to be sure I have this correct. You say it's not that loud because you are using the Noctua NF-P12 fans with the H100 and Ted says the cooler fans get loud because he is using the stock Corsair fans. Am I correct? If so, I can use the 500R + H100+ Noctua NF-P12 to get a relatively quiet case. I'm still planning on checking out the 550D too because I see that it does include sound dampening material. Thanks," Yes, the stock Corsair fans are quite noisy. But I did some more reading and Noctua recommends the NF-F12 for radiators. So I would suggest you consider that. I noticed that someone suggested the Fractal Design XL case. I took a look at it and it seems to be smaller than the 500R and is not quite as good for air cooling in general. However, it does have 8 trays for 3.5 and 2.5 inch drives. That is one very positive feature. I have been looking at cases again because the 500R is getting cramped for me because I added a RAID card a month ago. I configured 4 large HDD in a RAID 10 configuration for safe backup. The reason I chose that configuration is because I get the speed of RAID 0 and the data protection of RAID 1. On the bad side, I also get the main disadvantage of a RAID 1: half my drives are redundant. But it means my data is very safe. I can lose up to half my drives and still keep my data. But it can also mean that I lose everything too because if I lose the same unit on both sides, I am roally screwed. But I bought excellent drives. The chances of that happening are extremely low. I have four Intel SSDs configured as two RAID 0 drives. I use one to store the footage for my videos, and the other one to render to. This is for optimum performance. I get great speeds but data also flows in different directions on each drive. The source drive send its data to the computer for processing and the computer sends the rendered video in the other direction on the other drive. This means I have zero bottleneck anywhere. Before anybody comes in saying that it doesn't make that much of a difference, here are my results. Rendering Sony's latest benchmark program for Vegas 11, I save 3 seconds. It doesn't sound like much but when you consider that I go from 40 seconds to 37 seconds, that can represent quite a difference when rendering a large video. Not that I do large videos myself but building computer systems is my thing. I get a lot of enjoyment trying to find the best setup for optimal performance. I'd like to make one last comment - but about motherboards this time. The ASUS P9X79 PRO is excellent for video editors. The Videoguys recommend it. But having to deal with RAID cards, I have to say that the WS is superior to the PRO. Out of my 3 RAID drives, one of them was not working properly in the PRO motherboard. Just switching to the WS made all the difference in the world. If anybody is interested in numbers, I am getting 2 TB read and 1.1 TB writes from my Intel SSD in RAID 0.
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Videoon 6/17/2012
Upgrading to i7-3930K
JohnnyRoy wrote: "I was gong to buy the Intel liquid cooler but after watching the video on NewEgg, it looks like the Corsair 500R + H100 is the way to go. I want to be sure it's not too noisy." The fans that come with the 500R are quiet. But the case does not come with any at the top and you will end up with as much noise as those fans generate. The video card fans and the cooler pump (if you use something like the H80 or H100) will also add to the noise level. But one thing to remember is that the 500R is not built to cut out the sound. There are cases built for that purpose. Having added some fancy fans, I am left with the pump fan. It is not noisy at all but noticeable... only if you set the pump to its highest setting. At medium setting, I do not hear any noise whatsoever coming from the case. I checked the CPU temperature at both medium and high settings and there is no difference at all when you are just cruising doing normal everyday work. When I render, the difference is only a couple of degrees Celsius. So guess which setting I prefer? But if you get an insulated case and quiet fans, you should not have any problem with noise. Nicol
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Videoon 6/17/2012
Upgrading to i7-3930K
CorTed wrote: "I must say the Corsair 500R case is a great case to use for this build as it is made to hold the H100 liquid cooler." I am glad you accepted my recommendation and went for a 500R. Not only does it hold you H100 cooler nicely but you can fit in tons of fans, thus keeping your computer nice and cool. Should you ever consider your new machine noisy, I would suggest that you replace the two Corsair fans on your H100 with four Noctua NF-P12 in a push-pull configuration. They are a bit expensive and butt ugly. However, their silence is heavenly to the ears. That's what I use with H80 and I couldn't happier. The push-pull configuration is recommended when you replace the Corsair fans but your CPU will also thank you for it. The other drives keep the CPU cooler... not by much, but it is still cooler.
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