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Videoon 8/17/2023
VEGAS Pro 21 Build 108 General Discussion
I like it that they included Sound Forge Pro back in the package, it hadn't been included for some years I think... Acid maybe be interesting too, though I never used this one. Haven't tested Vegas 21 yet, busy installing stuff and archiving installation files.
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Videoon 7/17/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
I"m interested in the stability aspect. You're a very good case study moving from 10 series to 40 series Nvidia. If you see any changes now or in the future come back and update us 👍 So far, no or very very subtitle performance improvements. Vegas still as unstable as always, I keep one hand on CTRL+S whenever I have to use the preview window (I will actually bind it to a mouse button as I use a MMO-type mouse).
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Videoon 7/6/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
3DMark "Time Spy" run with Asus Xonar Essence STX back in place (but not set as default sound output because I forgot and I have no idea if it impacts anything.)And ... WAIT ... what went wrong???Graphics score: 13.711CPU score 6.280Score: 11.644 (great)Average 11.127Best: 12.034
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Videoon 7/6/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
After removing old Asus Xonar Essence STX from system, I ran 3DMark "Time Spy" again and got a slightly better score: TTTT wrote on 7/6/2023, 5:07 AM Yes, TimeSpy.Also I had to close all other software. Previously I had Brave Browser open with YouTube and this forum.Now, I got a result which says:Graphics score: 17.419CPU score 8.593Score: 15.093 (Good)Average 15.360Best: 21.301I don't think it's significant. I don't think if would justify running Vegas benchmarks again without the card. I'll run 3DMark "Time Spy" again after I put the card back in the system. (Also I purchased 3DMark in the process as it's currently low priced.)
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Videoon 7/6/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
Not lines but PCIe lanes. Oh, OK. I "knew it" from hearing it in the past. But "lines" is direct translation since we were speaking French. To make it worth wasting an M.2 slot the drive Sorry, what you mean exactly?
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Videoon 7/6/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
I talked with the guy from the shop where I purchased the GPU, I wanted to know if he had hints on how to install the brand-specific "MSI Suprim X support bracket" (which ... I can install it, but it keeps falling). I also asked if the presence in my system of that very old "Asus Xonar Essence STX" card could bring the CPU performance slightly down. He said, it's possible so I should try removing it. But he also suggested that the presence of 3 NVMe M.2 drives could also explain it because each of them uses "2 CPU lines" or something like that... I'm quite ignorant of those "CPU lines", so maybe this explains that.
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Videoon 7/5/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
I'm not so familiar with Threadrippers but thought 16 cores and not being so old would yield better results than this in TimeSpy and VEGAS. Perhaps it's the bottleneck here? The 16 cores are all doubled to 32 logical cores.When I purchased it, I noticed that on some task it wasn't performing better than my i7 6700K. Unless an application could take advantage of the threads as much as possible. And back then it was said that most games did not use more than 4 thread (I don't know how it is now, and not sure about production software).I have never compared it much to other CPUs ... I know that the 3950X (+10%), 5950X (+20%) and even the 7950x (+40%) didn't feel like it was worth upgrading, for their price. For the 4080 you're using the latest studio driver? That's working fine here for benchmarks and VEGAS. Yes, the "studio drivers", downloaded today.
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Videoon 7/5/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
Yes, TimeSpy.Also I had to close all other software. Previously I had Brave Browser open with YouTube and this forum.Now, I got a result which says:Graphics score: 17.237CPU score 8.586Score: 14973 (Good)Average 15.360Best: 21.301
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Videoon 7/5/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
@RogerS: Not sure how to observe it but while rendering the project in Vegas (and watching YouTube at the same time right now), GPU goes up to 2880 MHz, Mem up to 11201 MHz, sometimes it goes down.I have not tried tweaking any setting.I tried 3D Mark free demo (note: it's currently -75% off on Steam) ... but I let the demo play until the end and then I always get "cancelled by user" and a score of 0.
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Videoon 7/5/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
So, I got MSI RTX 4080 Suprim X.Quick tests: Vegas: According to the benchmark I just done, I lost some efficiency at rendering (see benchmarks for Vegas 20 in @RogerS signature. Vegas: But, the preview window seemed somewhat smoother. (Will have to re-check that in heavier projects). Lightroom: Randomly browse and applied filter in an existing album. Feel a bit smoother than before, not much. But I will only be able to tell a difference in lightroom next time I have a long work to do in it. Satisfactory (game) : Used to turn GTX 1080 Ti into a grill (Even after replacing its thermal compound) ... I can now run "Ultra" quality graphics and not hear the fans accelerate. Overall: it runs much cooler than GTX 1080 Ti so far. (Which was an Asus Strix card.) As expected, I guess I will get better performances improvements for productivity the day I change the GPU+motherboard+RAM etc... (which I didn't want to do right now) ... or if Vegas gets optimised for RTX 4th generation. Seems like a great upgrade on the gaming side (which wasn't my priority but OK...)Regarding installation, the card was slightly longer then announced in the specs, but I managed to put it in moving some elements that are on the front panel. Haven't been able to install the MSI Suprim X bracket ...
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Videoon 6/28/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
Thank you Dr Summarise.(Is this a new A.I. on the forum?) (Or am I missing something?)
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Videoon 6/28/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
I made some extra space by pivoting a component 90° (I think I gain 1 cm... wow). And today I went to the local shop with my computer so we could measure it more precisely a place a 4070 Ti (33,8 cm) just to see how it fits.I have approximately 35,xx cm. So it seems like most 4080's can fit and some 4090's. I think I could actually fit any card if I rearrange some front components.So now the choice is rather between 4080 and 4090... Thinking of power consumption... right now I'm thinking 4080 slightly more likely than 4090... I'll still think about it while the PSU cable gets shipped.
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Videoon 6/27/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
may still be in the inventory of cables that came with it. can be purchased. 2. Can be purchased, I think.The PSU is the same age as 1080 Ti, possibly older, so these connectors didn't exist. Or did they? There is zero chance that I would ever consider "eGPU". I'm not considering it, I hoped there could some more efficient alternative as soon as I heard read about their limitations.
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Videoon 6/27/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
So I though that I would get RTX 4080, and I went to local shop, it's the same seller since 15 or 20 years and he usually has useful advice... In the whole process I ended up with more questions than answers...- I measure the space and though my computer case isn't very small, it has component (that I don't want to remove) on the front panel and I'm missing some space for a 4090 and it's hard to tell for most 4080 (I think the 4080 with the Noctua fans would fit but it's almost the price of a 4090 (and it's Noctua-ugly :-) ). There may on of the face components that I can turn 90° ... I should test that later to see if it frees space. - He pointed out that even if I have a 1200W PSU (Corsair HX1200 Platinum Plus), I need to check that a 600W connector is available, if I pick anything above 4070 non-Ti. - He suggested that a 4070 is more or less equivalent to a 3080, would fit, doesn't need specific PSU connection and produces less heat. So this could be the easy path using current computer setup. (We do not have Vegas 20 benchmarks for 4070 I think.)- I'm used to Asus Strix series but considering the price, I may go with a TUF or even another brand. - I wondered if if there was other options then eGPU to have an external GPU ... so there are PCIe cable ... I would have though of some kind of rig I could throw behind" the computer case, but these cables don't bend well since they are flat, which would imply placing the GPU at the place under the desk when I put my legs... And apparently these cables are fragile event in the case. - Edit: The seller also said that regarding Lightroom and other Adobe products, he tested stuff with other client and no matter what hardware they put in, these softwares always run smoother on Apple than on PC. So after checking some stuff, the 4080 may still be an option, else I'm still pondering between 4070, 3080 or nothing/postpone.
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Videoon 6/25/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
It's still unclear what you intend to edit and what GPU will be sufficient. (...) The things is that I also target having a good all-round computer performing well at most things (with Vegas and Lightroom first but over the years I may want to try anything on that same computer ... I also do programming but that is not resource-hungry ... one things I'm considering yet is to use more virtual machines inside the system). The videos I usually make are a few minutes long, mostly 3840x2160x50p, with 1 to 7 different cameras. On the cameras that have it I tend to use ALL-I, but some of my cameras don't have it anyway... And in the last years I got some huge performance issue with the files from 6 year old cameras (such as Canon 5D Mark IV and Panasonic GH4 is I remember well). I ended-up having to convert them to uncompressed AVI to be able to work. I don't find my Preview Window performing that well nowadays, in general. Indeed I don't think I use super heavy FX ... mostly colour corrections and pan/crop ... Then I added NeatVideo noise reduction when renderring ... I consider that one to be my slowest "FX", but I can't think of video without it now. And then on the Lightroom side... the latest years... it's like the more upgrades it gets, the more it gets sluggish. But so, no I cannot pin point a very precise activity and a very precise format in that activity. Edit: Thinking about this, I remember: the reason why I started this thread wasn't so much get advises on my whole system (thought they're always welcome), it was mostly because I felt confusing that 1080 Ti was outperforming 30x0 in some benchmarks, so I wondered if the performance gain between generation was "so tiny". Userbenchmark appears to be based on 6 games, which may not simulate what you do in VEGAS or Lightroom very well. Some data points here on Lightroom, Premiere, Handbrake and Blackmagic Raw that may be more relevant. One other difference between the 3080 and 4070/Ti is memory bandwidth where NVIDIA's been cheaping out as of late. That may be more important for video editing and similar tasks than gaming. Thank you. True one things is that most easy to find benchmarks are based on gaming and editing/production benchmarks are usually scarces. I thought Userbenchmark considered and all-round score or something. In response to the other question while editing the GPU will hardly ever be at max power draw and you need to look at efficiency in getting work done vs idle or theoretical peaks. The 40XX series scores well there from tests I've seen vs 30XX. The benefit is less heat and less cooling needed. This also makes me think 4080 maybe a better choice on long term. Also keep an eye out for a new TechGage review using VEGAS that should shed light on this. Ok, didn't really know TechGage before.
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Videoon 6/24/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
@john_dennis : Thanks fotr the suggestion. Though my question is only about upgrading GPU (now or later), as mentionned, I plan on upgrading other pieces but much later, maybe waiting for 14th gen to be out, maybe not.
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Videoon 6/24/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
Thank you all for comments.I made this comparison table: The lowest cost per performance gain would appear to be getting RTX 4090 from eBay.Thought, then with the difference in power consumption, 450-320 W = 130 W. I believe I pay 22 cents/kWh ... (not checked recently directly from energy supplier)So 0.13*22 = 2.86 cents / 130 Wh -> ~0.7 EUR / day at full performance.320 W -> ~1.7 EUR/day at full performance. 450 W -> ~2.4 EUR /day at full performance. 200 W -> ~1.056 EUR /day at full performance. 285 W -> ~1.5 EUR /day at full performance. I'm not sure how much time I would actually use it at full performance ... but from that point of voint 4070/4070 Ti seem like a better "investment" than 3080/3080 Ti. And right now I think 4080 seems like the most balanced choice.(All of this: "If" all my numbers are correct!) (Some GPU specs mention power consumptions when idle, but not all)
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Videoon 6/23/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
3080 used as 4080 prices are just too high for what it is (for me). I guess that what is driving me to look at 40x0 rather than 30x0 is that my 1080 Ti already has 11 GB RAM and for a real increase on that side, I need to go for something like 4080, 4090 ... or 3090 (but I heard that 3090 had serious overheat problems). Though, I'm yet not 100% sure of the impact of GPU RAM ... mostly I'm thinking "future proof".Then the price of a 3080 / 3080 Ti on eBay seem to start around 500 EUR ... but the specs feels like only a half upgrade ... But true that witht the 1.500 EUR of a 4080 ... I could do a similar upgrade 3 times over the years ... (and/or use that card in a secondary computer). Then question is, do I trust "used" products? ..
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Videoon 6/23/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
Thank you for all comments.Thinking of most of the test I'm thinking... most of them test rendering time... But what I really care most about is user experience performance while editing. (This has become especially laggy in Lightroom with upgrades... on Vegas side, it mostly depend on what I do with the preview windows and what.) (And yeah, I care somewhat more about rendering times in Vegas than Lightroom... depending on projects... but rendering is something that I can just "let process" on this computer or on rendering computer, and do something else, so not the same kind of time-taker.)I guess that the CPU is in it for something too, but that would be a future step. I'm not wanting to replace my whole system in the coming month, that's why I'm thinking of getting only the GPU in advance, and use it as some temporary upgrade to current computer.
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Videoon 6/22/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
And nobody mentions that it still seems to be better to stick to 30xx nvida cards, since they wor better with Vegas compared to the 40xx cards? Ok, maybe all will be bettet with Vegas Pro 21. Like how much better?Though in that case I would still think of jumping directly to a 4080 or 4090 with the extra RAM, than spending almost the price of a 4080 for a 3080 Ti... In the sense that it feels more future proof...Yet, on RogerS benchmarks, 4080 seems to perform as good as 3090 ...
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Videoon 6/22/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
@TTTT (...) a riser. Never heard of a riser. So if I understand ... this is a liquid cooled core that replace stock cooler, and the fans for outside the case? (Or according to some video they go on the front panel... which I already fully use for cold-swappable hard-drives... so, that's really something I don't want to change...)On the other hand, I see external GPU cases ... maybe another way to go? As a bonus, it'll also help heat the house in the winter. The GTX 1080 Ti already does that well. (And unfortunately, it does it as well during the summer :-) )
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Videoon 6/22/2023
Opinions on upgrading from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 4080 or 4090
Take a look at the benchmarks in my signature and filter for NVIDIA GPUs. Thank you, interesting though difficult to compare. It looks like the newer generations indeed perform better. Though the data have no entry at all for 1080 Ti ... some 1080, some 2080 Ti ... Also check TechGage for GPU benchmarks that include VEGAS. I only find their benchmarks for Vegas 18 and not many benchmarks about Vegas, again, difficult to compare. For cost/performance a used 3080 is attractive. I usually max performances and try to keep the thing for years. (Not necessarily the best approach all times, but worked well with the 1080 Ti since this remained well ranked for year and the prices of RTX 30x0 skyrocketted.) For power supply you need to calculate maximum total wattage including CPU. You're probably fine though. Heat management depends on the case and fan configuration. Measure carefully given the size of new GPUs. The size, good point I forgot about. According to Google 4090 -> "304 mm x 137 mm x 61 mm".Should fit: https://davescomputertips.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/trooper-gpu-cooling-size.jpeg
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Videoon 6/7/2023
Vegas Pro (20?) shorcuts PDF, cheat sheet?
Oh thank you. It's actually HTML code, so I should be able to make it look even more to my tastes.But not sure when I'll do it. If someone already has some visually "optimised" version, I'm still interested for now.
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Videoon 5/30/2023
Where is Ignite Pro licence file located?
Good news:- They (FXhome) replied to my e-mail (form request) within a day - They included my license file (hint for those who would be looking for theirs, it's named "Ignige Pro.license" ) - They said that they had some issue but that the devs fixed it. I launched the Ignite Pro activator again, I did not actually have to use the local license file, and I had to "unregister" one of my previous computers/installation... So the activation service is likely working and they are still maintaining stuff there.
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