1080p Apple Pro Res 4444 HQ

mraroid wrote on 5/15/2013, 12:25 PM
Hi...

I shoot motion picture move film (16mm). I often have it digitized and edit in HD on my Mac in FCP.

Now that I have Sony Vegas 12 Pro on my PC, I was wondering what would be the best file format to have my motion picture film digitized in. I only work in HD. I usually use 1080p Apple Pro Res 4444 HQ. Will this import into Vegas 12 Pro? Or can someone suggest a file format that Vegas likes better. I do not care about large file sizes. I only care about quality.

Thanks gentleman

jack

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musicvid10 wrote on 5/15/2013, 1:26 PM
It's not about Vegas, its about Apple. You can open ProRes in Windows, but not write to it.
From something I read on another forum, you can open Prores 4444 under Win7 with QT7 installed. I've not tested this

You might want to have a look at DNxHD 444 10-bit for handing off both ways between FCP and Vegas. It's one of the acquisition formats Arri Alexa uses.
Serena wrote on 5/16/2013, 1:27 AM
Cineform is a codec designed for the job. http://support.cineform.com/entries/23262096-What-is-CineForm-cineform[/link]
musicvid10 wrote on 5/16/2013, 10:19 AM
I agree that Cineform is a great option for this.
mraroid wrote on 5/24/2013, 2:02 PM
What is QT7? I am running Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit. Are you saying that Vegas 12 pro can import a Prores 4444 file, but I can not edit it?

I will google DNxHD 444 10-bit for more info.

Thank you.

jack
mraroid wrote on 5/24/2013, 2:06 PM
Thanks. I just sent Cineform email for clarification. I want to be able to send files on a hard drive to my friend who only uses FCP 5.1 and I want him to be able to import them with having the buy extra software. I do not mind paying for Cineform for my self.

What is the native file format that Vegas can import and export? And is it 1920 X 1080?

New to the PC Been living in the Mac world and trying to get up to speed.

Thanks for the help.

jack
mraroid wrote on 5/24/2013, 2:16 PM
Well, it looks like Cineform is too expensive for me. Can some one recommend a HD file format I could request when my film is digitized that I can easily import and edit in Sony Vegas Pro 12?

Thanks

jack
musicvid10 wrote on 5/24/2013, 3:09 PM
QT7 is Quicktime 7. You need it to decode ProRes in Windows.
Cineform is free in GoPro Studio.
Avid DNxHD is also free.
Use Google to search terms you don't understand.
Zelkien69 wrote on 5/24/2013, 3:46 PM
MV10
I kind of laughed and agreed with the just Google the terms statement. Then I thought maybe QT7 isn't something you can easily look up. I typed it in and it's number one. Funny!

mraroid wrote on 5/25/2013, 5:44 PM
My apologies gentleman for my ignorance. I am trying Zelkien69. This is a new world for me. I am learning as fast as I can. I see that QT7 is short hand for Quicktime 7. I am running Quicktime Pro version 7.7.4 (build:1680.86) on my PC. I also run Quicktime Pro on my mac along with FCP.

Are you saying I might be able to import my 3D .avi files into Quicktime and export it in another file format that Pro 12 will like?

I see that I have no problem importing flat (not 3D) 1080p Apple Pro Res 444 HQ directly into Pro 12.

I just shot off a 400' magazine of Kodak Vision3 5D negative stock:

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Production/Color_Negative_Films/5203.htm

After I have a print made, I will see if they can send me a 1080p Apple Pro Res 4444 HQ file. Then I can see if I can import that into Pro 12. The lab I use can give me 2K or 4K. I suspect Pro 12 can go to 2K but not 4K? Is this correct?

Advice welcome.
Thanks again everyone for all the help.

jack



jack
musicvid10 wrote on 5/25/2013, 5:57 PM
Vegas Pro 12 handles 4K.

What your'e not quite seeing is that the interchange is an issue between Apple Quicktime and Windows, not Vegas. What you get is what you get, compliments of Apple.

I'm sure your lab can print Avid DNxHD 444 10-bit as well. Install the free LE 2.3.8 codecs on your Windows computer, and compare the handling of DNxHD with ProRes 4444. Once again, Windows NLE's will not encode ProRes, they will encode DNxHD.
farss wrote on 5/25/2013, 8:13 PM
[I]" I just shot off a 400' magazine of Kodak Vision3 5D negative stock"[/I]

I'd suggest having the lab scan it to 4K DPX or DNG image sequences.
That's a fine grained stock with high latitude and you should try to get as much of what's on the negative into the digital realm.
You probably don't intend to deliver 4K however capturing the grain structure helps even if your optics on the camera cannot resolve 4K. Same goes for the dynamic range. You can always downscale in the digital realm but if you never captured it during in scan you just don't have it to work with if needed.

Probably a 4K DNG sequence is going to be a bear to work with but you can always do a one light conversion to DNxHD at 1920x1080.

Bob.
mraroid wrote on 5/25/2013, 9:20 PM
musicvid10.... I am so happy Pro 12 can handle 4K. I think I will make my digital master in 4K.

>What your'e not quite seeing is that the interchange is an issue between
> Apple Quicktime and Windows, not Vegas. What you get is what you get, >compliments of Apple.

OK, uh, the fog is starting to lift. I will take your suggestion and install LE 2.3.8 and have my film digitized in two formats - Avid DNxHD 444 10-bit, and ProRez 4444. Then I can see how they look.

Thank you.

jack
mraroid wrote on 5/25/2013, 9:25 PM
>That's a fine grained stock with high latitude
>and you should try to get as much of what's
> on the negative into the digital realm.

I believe 50D is the smallest grain Kodak color stock now made. I have shot a lot of Vision2 stocks, looking forward to seeing how this Vision3 stock looks.

>I'd suggest having the lab scan it to 4K DPX or DNG image sequences.

I will google this farss and see what that format is all about.

Thank you for the help.

jack
Serena wrote on 5/26/2013, 12:08 AM
>>>>>>Well, it looks like Cineform is too expensive for me.<<<<<<<<<<<
I'm sure you have reached a considered view, but I'm a bit surprised that you find the one-off cost of Cineform software is expensive compared to the recurring costs of 16mm film stock, processing and scanning to DI. I guess you must have access to resources that facilitate big cost savings.