1080p Displays

Spot|DSE wrote on 3/3/2006, 11:35 AM
CE Daily
March 3, 2006
Growing to 25%-30% in 2007

1080p TVs to Account For 10%-15% of Set Sales This Year, Pixelworks Says

TVs with 1080p resolution will account for 10%-15% of flat-panel and microdisplay rear-projection set sales this year, growing to 25%-30% in 2007, Pixelworks CEO Allen Alley told a Wedbush Morgan investor conference in N.Y.C.

Among suppliers leading the push to expand sales of 1080p TVs are Samsung, Sony and Texas Instruments. Retailers are following suit by incorporating 1080p functionality more and more into their sales pitches, Alley said. While TI for many years downplayed the need for 1080p-capable TVs because of a lack of content, it shifted in 2004 to aggressively push 1080p as the first sets entered the market. TVs with 1080p resolution represented only about 4% of set sales in 2004, Alley said.

“The manufacturers are becoming very focused on 1080p and the channel is pushing it,” Alley said. Pixelworks has secured design wins in 40 TVs with 1080p and has a 30% share of the market in that resolution, Alley said. But Toshiba Vp Scott Ramirez, typifying manufacturer executives we polled, said Alley’s estimates apply only to rear-projection TVs, among which microdisplays have a strong foothold, and not flat-panel displays. “I really think that can only apply to rear projection because most of flat-panel displays are 720p,” Ramirez said.

The key to Pixelworks’ 1080p strategy will likely be its “Pearl” ImageProcessor ICs, which combine an internal HDMI receiver with 5th-generation 12-bit video decoder and 10-bit ADC. The Pearl processor, which will target top tier brands, will likely be priced around $10 in volume when it ships 2nd half, company officials said. Pixelworks also will ship its Opal-2 chip, a video designed for the European market.

Meanwhile, Alley forecast worldwide front projector sales of 4.9-5.1 million units this year, depending on whether the expected arrival of $499 models translates into strong sales. The $499 projectors, which have been demonstrated by InFocus, will likely be built around a series of platforms targeting specific applications such as gaming, Pixelworks CFO Michael Yonker said. Pixelworks has struggled with its front projector business in recent years, having seen it drop to less than 50% of the company’s total annual revenue from 67% in 2000, company officials said.

Worldwide flat-panel TV sales are expected to increase to 50 million sets this year from 29 million last year, growing to more than 100 million by 2008, Genesis Microchip CFO Michael Healy told the conference. Genesis is banking on design wins with Samsung and Sony for its Oak multifunction monitor and Cortez FLI8532 single-chip LCD TV controllers, respectively.

The FLI8532 controller, which featured an integrated 3D video decoder, Faroudja DCDi Cinema video format conversion and noise reduction, was designed into Sony Bravia 40W and 32W LCD TVs, Healy said. Genesis expects to have a 10% share of Sony’s LCD TV monitors this year, he said. The Bravia 40W and 32W sets are devoid of NTSC or ATSC tuners, he said, enabling them to hit lower prices, such as $2,800 in the case of the 40W. Sony officials weren’t available for comment at our deadline Thurs. “Essentially what Sony is saying is, ‘Why do consumers need a tuner in the TV when they may already have one in a set-top box?’” Healy said. “We believe that it is a very sound strategy and we’re going to take advantage of it.”

Several companies will likely introduce monitor products this year to hit lower prices, said industry executives we canvassed. Under the FCC’s DTV tuner mandate, all 25" and larger TVs shipped with built-in NTSC tuning also must have ATSC tuners. Tunerless monitors thereby are outside the scope of the FCC requirement. Toshiba introduced such a line in rear projection TV last year and will likely continue with the strategy this year, Ramirez said. “I don’t know that the trend will be widespread, but it will exist in the marketplace,” Ramirez said. “Our industry has a history of having steps between products.”

Genesis’ design win with Samsung for its Oak controller covered 26W, 32W and 40W LCD TVs sold in Europe, Healy said. It expects to have a 15-20% share of Samsung’s LCD TV business this year, he said. Genesis showed the Cortez Advanced FLI8538 single-chip enhanced LCD TV controller at CES. The 10-bit controller can power displays with resolutions up to 1080p and combines picture-in-picture with a video decoder containing a 3D comb filter. The FLI8548 Cortez Plus controller also features a video decoder with a 3D comb filter, but adds HDMI functionality.

Comments

Yoyodyne wrote on 3/3/2006, 11:46 AM
So is interlacing dead.....dying.....feeling poorly.....
Coursedesign wrote on 3/3/2006, 11:50 AM
Amazing how quickly 1080p seems to be happening.

It must be people in the stores seeing them side-by-side with the 720p sets.

Speaking of ATSC tuners, does anyone know of a late generation outboard ATSC tuner that a) switches channels in less than several teeth-gnashing seconds, and b) has a remote that works at distances greater than 2 feet?

My Samsung SIR-T451 fails on both of the above (and not just on my unit), it's driving my wife crazy.
Coursedesign wrote on 3/3/2006, 11:56 AM
So is interlacing dead.....dying.....feeling poorly.....

No, here's the process:

1. Footage shot interlaced.

2. Footage going through lossy deinterlace for post work.

3. Footage going through lossy reinterlace for broadcast.

4. Footage going through lossy deinterlace for display on natively progressive LCD, DLP, plasma, etc. HDTV.

Maybe after the last of the TV engineers has died....

Jay Gladwell wrote on 3/3/2006, 12:12 PM

Of course, I have no way to disprove what Mr. Healy is predicting, but that figure of "50 million sets" seems awfully optimistic. If I understand correctly, that does not include computer monitors.


JJKizak wrote on 3/3/2006, 12:13 PM
Coursedesign:
I have had the Sansung T165 and the LG 3510a and the LG changes faster. Maybe the new stuff changes faster yet. The LG also does not distort the SD aspect 4 x 3 like the Samsung does. I gave the Samsung to my guru buddy. The LG will overscan a bit more than necessary however on the SD stuff compared to the built in analog tuner in the set. The DVD players match the built in analog tuner overscan of the set so for some reason the tuner people are boosting it.
I have seen the 1080P Mitsubishi DLPs and they knocked my socks off.

JJK
Spot|DSE wrote on 3/3/2006, 1:00 PM
Well....given his numbers are identical to the not publically released, and not quotable Peddie reports, and that both are in line with what NAB predicted about a year ago, and CES confirmed this year..., I'd say they're all reasonably close.
They nailed the saturation of DVD within less than a 5 million pieces 7 years ago, given the super low price point of DVDs, that's pretty impressive, IMO.
jwcarney wrote on 3/3/2006, 2:17 PM
I've been jonesing for that Sceptre 37" 1080p LCD TV that also doubles as a true 1920x1080 computer monitor via DVI.
Priced under 2K around the net.
BarryGreen wrote on 3/5/2006, 12:45 AM
Costco's got that Sceptre for $1499. But they're also due to have a 42" model very soon, if not available already, and that's under $2,000 too I think.
LyricsGirl wrote on 3/6/2006, 6:17 AM
Well I am so not looking forward to 3D plasma screens...
How on earth do we render out for these?

Yes, they do exist.albeit in a very crude fashion.. I accidently discovered a company in Silicon Valley working on prototypes.whilst researching for my honors thesis.

Oh so much to keep pace with.... and this is just the video side of things..then there is audio and DOLBY....but that's another headache..err story.

I wish I had started reading these forums last year.. so much inforanation...

LG
corug7 wrote on 3/10/2006, 8:53 PM
Costco has the 42" Sceptre now. $1999 through March 12.
JJKizak wrote on 3/11/2006, 5:12 AM
Buzz is that Circuit City is using a Sony specially programmed HD-DVR to demo the 1080p stuff which will knock your socks and pants off.

JJK
farss wrote on 3/11/2006, 6:25 AM
We bought two 42" Bravias and I've got to say I'm underwhelmed, our 24" HP monitor blows it away. Despite all the hubris about the Bravia it's still only a 720 display and by the time the 1080i signal goes through the DVB transmission and the decoders and eventually gets rescaled to fit the LCD there's all sorts of wierd artifacts creeping in.
And before anyone jumps in, one local channel's broadcasting 720p and that's just as bad. Even a Z1 fed directly into it by component looks bad.
JJKizak wrote on 3/11/2006, 7:12 AM
farss:
What's DVB?

JJK
Coursedesign wrote on 3/11/2006, 10:26 AM
DVB=OTA.



(Over-The-Air = Digital Video Broadcast).
MH_Stevens wrote on 3/12/2006, 12:11 PM
A Sony HD-DVR not Blu-ray?

Spot|DSE wrote on 3/12/2006, 12:21 PM
Farss, glad to hear you say that. We bought a Bravia from the local electronics store, put Z1, HVX, and FW700 on it, it looked horrid. We took it back, but I'd mentioned this experience on another forum, and was ripped apart for being anti-720p.
Same cams, same footage look stellar on both 1080p displays. The HVX exhibits some tearing on extreme contrasts, which we expected, but otherwise, it's all good.
Coursedesign wrote on 3/12/2006, 2:32 PM
Sony also had to fix 400,000 Bravias that wouldn't turn on or off after reaching 1200 hours.

The underlying technology was good, but it seemed like they had manufacturing booboos in this model range, perhaps related to strong growth that took them from #4 to #1 in LCD TV shipments worldwide last quarter...
MH_Stevens wrote on 3/12/2006, 7:32 PM
FIRST read what CNET says today:

"It's true: not very many of the new 1080p televisions will actually accept a 1080p input. This includes all of the Samsung, Sony, JVC, Toshiba, and Mitsubishi rear-projection sets--although the Samsungs and a couple of high-end Mitsubishis can handle 1080p via computer inputs. The HP models, specifically the 58-inch MD5880n and the 65-inch MD6580n, are the only two I know of that can handle 1080p signals via HDMI. However, I don't consider this lack of compatibility a deal breaker.

First off, there's no 1080p HDTV programming available; there's only 720p and 1080i being broadcast now and for the foreseeable future. 1080p HDTVs convert those formats, as well as all other formats, to 1080p for display. Sure, the PS3 will supposedly support 1080p when it launches sometime next year, but the first true 1080p video content you'll likely see is from Blu-ray or HD-DVD players.

All in all, I think anyone would have a hard time distinguishing between 1080i and 1080p on today's 1080p HDTVs. But if you really want one that will support this future format, you should wait until next summer, when more HDTVs should be available that offer 1080p input support. "

SECOND: How is this relevant / affect by playing Blu-Ray disc and direct input from the Sony HDV cameras.

Michael S

JJKizak wrote on 3/13/2006, 5:22 AM
MH_Stevens:
I don't know what they were using at my local Audio/Visions store with 1080P Mitsubishi DLP's but it blew away 720P & 1080I into oblivion. They were twice as bright and clear with no noise or grain. They were the first large 65" tv's that I would ever consider purchasing. The 15K projection setup also was 1080P rated but was considerably dimmer with less contrast with a 2.35 x 1 screen.

JJK
JJKizak wrote on 3/13/2006, 12:12 PM
I checked the Circuit City 1080P Sony SXRD 50" demo today. They normally feed it with the inhouse stuff and you have to ask the salesman to switch to the Sony demo on the Sony HD-DVR. It is outstanding for a 50" picture. . The salesman said the Sony whites are 14 times brighter than LCD stuff. The demo has Harley's, flowers, beaches, pottery, and mountains. Some of the shots had a "touch" of noise in the darker colors. Looking at the other sets the Panasonic plasma seemed to be real sharp, but there was considerable variation from set to set.

JJK