24 fps

auggybendoggy wrote on 12/9/2007, 9:37 AM
Guys,
what is the difference in buying a program like DV maker (to convert 29.97 avi files to 24p film like files).
and using vegas to render at 24 fps?

is there no difference?

I hate the way 29.97 looks as far as being way too smooth.
I love the oh so slight stobe look of film.

If anyone has any recommendations to make my videos look more like film I'm ALL EARS.

Aug

Comments

CClub wrote on 12/9/2007, 12:11 PM
You'll hear for the most part that Vegas is as good or better than most 29.97 > 24p converters. If your final product will be on DVD, you have the added benefit of a DVD Architect template you can render to that doesn't require re-rendering.

Regarding making videos look like film: you're opening one of the biggest can of worms in video. There are tons of links on dvinfo.net, here, and on any website dealing with video. Some people hate the 24p look, for others its the Holy Grail. For myself, I personally purchased the Sony V1U and the Canon HV20 for the primary reason that they can capture (via a few crazy capture requirements) true 24p.
auggybendoggy wrote on 12/9/2007, 8:54 PM
I purchased a z1u and a fx1. I'm wondering if it's better to shoot in cineframe or non-cineframe and convert?

I've got a lot of learning on this I know, but I'm looking for some advice. And an answer to why I would buy DVfilm maker if Vegas renders to 24.

Also is there a difference between 24 fps and 24p?

Aug
Chienworks wrote on 12/9/2007, 9:32 PM
24p is 24fps, but 24fps isn't necessarily 24p. "fps" is frames per second. "p" is progressive. While it's an almost never mentioned format it is possible to have 24i which would be interlaced instead of progressive. It would still be 24fps either way though.
farss wrote on 12/9/2007, 10:42 PM
Properly shot, projected and viewed film doesn't strobe. Get any of those three prerequisites wrong an all manner of things can go wrong. Watching OTA movies on our V series Bravia in our office it judders and stobes and is just horrible. I've read of a number of people saying they prefer shooting 30p to 24p simply to get smoother motion. There's quite a few technical restrictions to shooting 24fps. Of course if you really want some stoby motion there's always 18fps.

What makes the movies look so good is mostly what's in front of the lens and very little to do with how fast the camera op cranks the handle.

But don't take anyones word for any of this including mine. Borrow or rent a camera that shoots 24p and do some tests of your own. Such cameras come at many pricepoints today, would seem more sensible to invest in something that shoots it right in camera than trying to fudge it in post.

Bob.