2nd display in V11

Serena wrote on 12/14/2011, 6:12 AM
My problem is that I can't get the secondary display window working, which is odd (never had trouble in previous versions). Reading the instructions they mention a change from previous versions, but presently that is a mystery. In V10 when click preview device (options etc) I see device: "windows secondary display" and I have under "display adapter" 2 - 1920x1200
and when I click identify displays I have #1 as operator display and #2 as external monitor. All as expected from previous experience and works well.

In V11 device: windows graphics card
and Display Adapter: #1 1920 x 1200
and when click identifier I get #2 as operator's screen and #1 as external monitor.
(so reversed from V10).
If I select #2 as display, then get full screen preview on operator's monitor (still nought on external monitor).

So, please steer me through to the proper methodology.

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JJKizak wrote on 12/14/2011, 6:55 AM
The video card softwares that I have enable switching from monitor 1/2 or 2/1. Some of the very old drivers would require some hocus-pocus hoops. When you make the switch the drivers will sometimes split the primary view and you have to drag the secondary stuff back to the primary and then it will be fine.
JJK
Geoff_Wood wrote on 12/14/2011, 3:44 PM
Windows secondary display is, I think, as different thing to an 'external monitor'.

geoff
Serena wrote on 12/14/2011, 9:04 PM
Perhaps I didn't make it clear that without changing anything, V10 works as normal and V11 doesn't. I'm asking whether there is a change in procedure for V11 cf V10?
JJKizak wrote on 12/15/2011, 6:45 AM
On my Vista 64 machine with Vegas 10/11 32 bit and Vegas 10/11 64bit installed all of them work the same.
(device cuda enabled video card selected, GTX 8800 512 driver 290-36)
JJK
Serena wrote on 12/15/2011, 4:55 PM
Thanks JJK. Originally so on my machine, but something must have happened in V11 settings. I seem to recall that there is a technique for resetting everything to default in Vegas but I can't find anything in the manual. Guess uninstall will do it. I really haven't done much in V11 other than learn the NewBlue titler, so somewhere in that process the problem has developed. Not much user input when just start V11, open titler, find problem.
ChristoC wrote on 12/15/2011, 5:08 PM

Holding CTRL+SHIFT keys when starting Vegas performs a "reset to default values". Continue to hold the CTRL+SHIFT keys until the program is fully up and loaded.



Serena wrote on 12/15/2011, 6:59 PM
Great! Thanks.
Serena wrote on 12/17/2011, 12:58 AM
Although I seem to have a unique problem, I'll keep updating this thread.
Resetting Vegas defaults made no difference.
Un-Installing V11 and installing new update made no difference.
NewBlue provided a beta upgrade and that didn't change the blank text window.

NVIDIA control panel identfies my HP LP2480zx as display #1 and my CMC 19AW as #2. I use the CMC as operators monitor and the HP for grading etc (2nd display).
Vegas 10 identifies the CMC as #1 and the HP as #2 and is happy to display things as normal.
Guess I have to persuade either: 1) Vegas 11 that the CMC is #1 and the HP #2, or
2) NVIDIA of that arrangement.
Don't see how to achieve either of those.
ushere wrote on 12/17/2011, 2:22 AM
what if you right click desktop?

what shows up under 'screen resolution'?
JJKizak wrote on 12/17/2011, 6:59 AM
Try clicking display in the control panel and then advanced settings. You should be able to do a switch there. I can't figure how it could only affect V10 and not V11. It sure sounds like the video driver ain't right for your card.
JJK
Serena wrote on 12/17/2011, 6:24 PM
Click on resolution? Shows display identities described above.
The GPU driver is correct and up to date 285.62 .
V11 is playing oddball.

To amuse myself I swapped the DVI cables on the GPU. Now Nvidia says the 19" is #1 and the LP2480zx is #2. V10 is still happy with that and agrees. V11 still insists that the old arrangement stands and is still missing the option "windows secondary display" from preview device preferences; has only "windows graphics card".

EDIT: nobody as yet told me whether they have "windows secondary display" as a device option in V11. I don't, and that appears to be the problem (cf. V10)
ushere wrote on 12/17/2011, 7:32 PM
have:
aja / bm / ohci / win graphic card.

in 10 it's 'windows secondary display', and also 3d.

why name change, or is it more deep seated?

running 285.79 - though i read there's another later beta out now as well....

btm. using a bm card, but just tried win card option and all's ok...
Serena wrote on 12/17/2011, 7:42 PM
Thanks Leslie. OK, so V11 is different. The latest driver on the NVIDIA site is the one I have.

In device drivers, the driver is identified as 8.17.12.8562
Serena wrote on 12/17/2011, 8:01 PM
Leslie, what identity does your V11 give to your monitors? #1 to your operator's monitor?
Former user wrote on 12/17/2011, 8:17 PM
I have "Windows Graphic Card" as the secondary monitor option, but all works as expected. My monitors are identified just the opposite of the Windows Identify, but the preview option works correctly.

this is on an ATI Radeon card on my old P4 computer running Win 7 32 bit.

Dave T2
Serena wrote on 12/17/2011, 8:54 PM
Thanks Dave. So there seems to be nothing strange in mine except that it's not working. It does work to the extent that clicking on the 2nd display symbol does make that display go black, so it seems that it activates the data path but sends no data. If I set up the op monitor to be the 2nd display, that works. Click on symbol, op monitor goes black, click on that screen and full screen display of preview comes up. Esc to get back to op console. Same on yours?
Doing the same in V10 there is no need to click he black screen, just switches the op screen to full screen preview (ie. screen goes black and then preview comes up.) Am I getting frozen at the "screen goes black" point?
Former user wrote on 12/17/2011, 9:02 PM
Yeah, mine works that way, but I do get video if I preview something on the timeline.

In my case, my main monitor, on this computer is VGA and the secondary is DVI. I do this because my main edit computer uses the DVI on monitor 1 and VGA on two. I was just using this computer to test your problem. But both computers preview to secondary correctly. They just identify wrong.

Dave T2
Serena wrote on 12/17/2011, 9:23 PM
This is greatly frustrating ! Of course I've put in a support ticket but it will be weeks before they respond. I can drag Vegas windows from the op monitor to the LP2480zx, so everything else works normally.
Just to confirm: does Vegas 11 identify your op screen as #1? Mine insists it is #2.
Geoff_Wood wrote on 12/17/2011, 9:32 PM
Unless I've had it wrong all these years, if you want to operate dual (or more) screens, you set it up in Windows Display properties.

You don't have to explicitly tell Vegas anything about this, it just treats it all as one big display (if you have the extend desktop onto 2ndry monitor thing ticked) just like any other app..

Although I've never done it, I have always assumed the 'External Monitor' setting in Vegas is to display the output on a monitor that is not one of your normally-assigned Windows display monitors, but another hooked up to an otherwise unassigned display adaptor such as Black Ice, etc. A pure dedicated video preview/output device that will not be interefed with as a Windows Desktop.

So setting the Vegas External Monitor to one already assigned to Windows in general is going to confuse things greatly.

But I could be wrong.

geoff
Mikee wrote on 12/17/2011, 9:45 PM
Not sure if this will help or not...I had something similar happen to me.

My 11P (build 511),64-bit on Win7Home is working with 3 monitors (just plugged in the extra 3rd today.) However, when I walked away and Windows put the monitors to sleep, when I logged in again Windows shifted them around (and "lost" one of them). No amount of screwing with the Windows Screen Res settings seem to bring it back. Rebooting fixed it. Sleeping broke it.

I cannot tell if this is Vegas, Windows, both of them harassing in tandem, the nVidia/ATI combo, or some other gremlin. I changed my power options to not put them to sleep and its been working since (or maybe I haven't left my workstation long enough). Good luck.
Serena wrote on 12/17/2011, 10:00 PM
Geoff, forgive me if my descriptions have been loose. I'm talking about t secondary preview window which is normally on a separate monitor. Yes indeed setting up multiple displays is done in the graphics card interface. Mine is so set up. V10 is happy. V11 is not. It is necessary to also set up the secondary display in Vegas --- doesn't happen by magic.

Mikee, unfortunately rebooting hasn't helped.
Stringer wrote on 12/19/2011, 8:52 AM
Are you saying you can't un-dock the preview window and drag it to the other display ?

My preview device settings look identical in V10 and V11, but I don't have to change anything in either version to just drag the preview window over to the 2nd display ..
Gary R. Brown wrote on 2/17/2012, 8:49 AM
Again as you stated 'not sure if this' is related but ... could be. I have the problem of my docked windows moving around on me. I set them as I want, docked. When I reboot then system or just restart Vegas (ONLY v.11) the docked windows have stacked themselves over on top of each other on the upper left corner of my dual screens. (I have a third for Program fed by a Black magic Design HDMI feed). Really annoying to have to re-dock my mixer, scopes & preview dock every time.