Spot said: >External monitor, or SECOND monitor?<
Both, I drag an instance of V4 over to the 2nd monitor and it won't display on the external monitor.

> If it's a SECOND monitor, then you may not have a video card that supports overlay on a second monitor. It's common with lower end vid cards.<
Please define overlay : )
Thanks Spot,
Randy

I'm still trying to figure out your setup......Are you running a dual display video card with two monitors AND an external monitor?

Thanks Haze...yes exactly, except I have 2 single video cards as opposed to 1 dual.
I'm having lots of crashes in V4 after upgrading a motherboard / P4 2.5 (from AMD Athlon 1.73)and most recently Win XP Pro (from XP Home). Windows is reporting a device driver as being the problem but I'm pretty sure all drivers are XP (I'm assuming there are no differences between Home and Pro drivers since I've never noticed a choice to download). Windows is also reporting that it could be a software driver (ie anti-virus, firewall etc) so this morning I went through and uninstalled everything not needed to finish the project I'm so frantically trying to hobble along and finish.
Thanks again,
Randy

In case anyone is interested, I'm still getting the MS "program is not responding..." and V4's "an error has occured..." crap after uninstalling just about everything else. The Windows update page shows all drivers current so I don't have a clue what I should try next. I hope I'm not being a nuisance but I live in a little tiny podunk town where the only computer "repair shop" knows about as much as I do...yes, really! Please make a suggestion if you think it may work.
TIA,
Randy

I run 3 monitors, two off a dual display card and one off a PCI card. I once had a similar problem and the PCI card was the culprit. Since you have two video cards, one of them must be a PCI card. It is possible that you have a conflict there with your new OS. Try disabling the PCI card and see if you can get a proper display on your external monitor while running a single monitor configuration. That will tell you wheteher or not the conflict is located in the video cards.

Thanks Haze...coincidently I am downloading a different driver for the PCI card as I write this but I'm not too enthusiastic as I disabled it this morning and V4 still crashed. I'm wondering about the 2nd Maxtor HD but I haven't found drivers for it yet.
Thanks again,
Randy

Just as a side note, I had to completely remove the card to correctly identify the problem. You may have to try that with each card to completely eliminate them as the problem source. Also, I have had nothing but problems with Maxtor drives and I got rid of all of them. Good luck.

So I should remove the card physically to get an accurate test?
It's funny how nobody here likes Maxtor and the audio forum I used to hang out at (Sonar) thought they were the best.
Thanks again,
Randy

Yes, it's a pain, but you have to tell windows to remove the hardware, then shut down the computer, remove the card, then restart and see if it solves the problem. If it doesn't, then you have to do the same with the remaining card. If that doesn't solve the problem, then you have eliminated the video as the problem.......probably.

You'll need to physically remove the hardware. I'm betting it's drivers/card, as you are losing external too. I'll bet there is an IRQ conflict AND a driver conflict. Using PCI, AGP, and 1394, probably all assigning to 9, plus heaven knows whatever else...
Nothing wrong with Maxtor, if it's a hard drive. Their 1394 cards should have never been allowed out of the Koutech factory who makes them.
On the other hand MATROX dual head display cards are the second best out there. They are dang good. We use em' on the VASST tours.

Thanks guys...I'm about to leave town until tomorrow night but I'll try that first thing when I get back.
Thanks again,
Randy

Nice way to build anticipation SPOT; drum roll please...and the "First-best" video card is? Looking forward to your book! Take care, Kevin.

The Appian Geronimo 4 head/8 head cards are TOP NOTCH, but seriously way too expensive for reasonable working in Vegas. I really love the Matrox cards, and really hope to see at some point, Parhelia support in Vegas. From what it does for MSP's toolset, and for AE, it's pretty darn cool. But...I've got several 450's and several 550's from Matrox in our various systems. Flawless. We've got 3 machines on the road right now for VASST that are running the 550's, sending DVI and VGA, to a splitter for projection. Works GREAT!

Well you guys were right, it was the display drivers; I had just updated them a few months ago with XP Home but figured I'd better try again, so the newest was showing up at drivers.com. After not being able to get them to work I sorta forgot about them but thanks to you guys I persisted and finally found them...as of this morning there have been no errors and no problems.
Thanks for your patience,
Randy

Sorry to jump threads...

This stuff was in the "crash on startup" thread, but me thinkin it might be better back here.


Subject: RE: Vegas Video 4.0 Crash on Startup
Posted by: g_randybrown (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/22/2003 7:42:06 AM

Hey Marty,
I've run V4 only a few minutes this morning and so far so good but I have another question that I feel is related to display: Whenever I run an instance of V4 on my 2nd (PC) monitor my external (TV) monitor only works intermittently...am I asking too much?
BTW there was some confusion regarding my rig when I posted a similar question so I'll go ahead and mention I'm using two PC monitors (on separate single head cards)and an external TV monitor via firewire.
TIA,
Randy
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Subject: RE: Vegas Video 4.0 Crash on Startup
Posted by: martyh (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/22/2003 7:59:31 AM

Hi Randy,


Are you saying when you switch external playback between the two instances there is a problem, or just having a second instance open causes the problem?


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Subject: RE: Vegas Video 4.0 Crash on Startup
Posted by: g_randybrown (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/22/2003 8:13:28 AM

Actually just having one instance open (on my 2nd monitor) and hitting playback.
Thanks,
Randy
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Subject: RE: Vegas Video 4.0 Crash on Startup
Posted by: martyh (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/22/2003 9:20:19 AM

OK, I savvy...

You might check the sharing/ proximity on the second display card and yer 1394 port, methinks they are interfering due to IRQ or possibly RF (?)...


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Subject: RE: Vegas Video 4.0 Crash on Startup
Posted by: g_randybrown (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/22/2003 10:03:14 AM

I recently upgraded to XP Pro and the only way I can find to check my IRQ assignments is in device manager but the FIRST display is sharing 16 with the 1394. If you think it is an IRQ sharing issue perhaps you could tell me how to get to the place where I can view all of the IRQ assignments. I'm also embarrased to admit that I don't know what you mean by RF.
Thanks for your patience Marty,
Randy
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Subject: RE: Vegas Video 4.0 Crash on Startup
Posted by: SonicTSW (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/22/2003 1:24:47 PM

On XP Pro use Programs | Accessories | System Tools | System Information. Click on the "+" for Hardware Resources and then click IRQs. Click on a column heading to sort the entries based on that column.
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Subject: RE: Vegas Video 4.0 Crash on Startup
Posted by: martyh (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/22/2003 2:28:31 PM

Hi Randy,

RF = Radio interference

Occassionally, cards can emit enough stray RF to disturb other cards next to them.



HTH, MPH
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Subject: RE: Vegas Video 4.0 Crash on Startup
Posted by: g_randybrown (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/22/2003 5:13:57 PM

Thanks guys,
My 2nd monitor is on IRQ 21 all by itself. My primary is sharing with the 1394 and the USB Universal Host Controller if that would make a difference. Marty, my cards are one slot apart...should I move it?
Thanks again guys,
Randy


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OK, back to speed.....?



I might try swapping the cards to see if the position in the mobo makes any difference. It's a long shot, but anything's possible.

BTW, Does the Vegas preview play properly in the second monitor?


mph

Thanks very much for all of your efforts Marty!
You said: >I might try swapping the cards to see if the position in the mobo makes any difference. It's a long shot, but anything's possible.<

The primary monitor is AGP (I think that's the correct term) and the other is a PCI so I'm guessing I can't switch them?

You said: >BTW, Does the Vegas preview play properly in the second monitor?<
Yes
V4 didn't crash once in the 7-8 hours I was using it yesterday (after turning off hardware acceleration as you suggested) but this morning I got another blue screen (this happens on every boot up but not on a restart)with the message " Windows has shut down because there is a problem..." and then does a memory dump. Ordinarily it then opens fine and I get: "Windows has recovered from a serious error, would you like to send a report..." I always send and sometimes the report comes back with "We have determined there is a problem with one of your drivers (or driver driven software)..." but today the mouse was frozen and I had to push reset; when I booted up again everything is fine. I've often wondered if all of this could be due to the 2nd display driver (even though I have the latest) but disabled it before and still had problems. On second thought though that was back when I was getting crashes in V4 every hour or so. Maybe I should disable it again and see if I have any errors when booting up tomorrow????
Thanks again Marty,
Randy

Hi Randy,

Yeah, give it a shot...

I also suppose yu could throw money at the problem and try a new AGP card, but that's more a question of how much you enjoy chopping away at this kind of thing. ;^)

mph

I'll try it...thanks.

>I also suppose yu could throw money at the problem and try a new AGP card, but that's more a question of how much you enjoy chopping away at this kind of thing.<

I wanted to upgrade processors (P4 2.5 ghz)and OS (XP Pro) anyway (gave the old ones to my wife so she went along with it : ) but I've already spent hundreds at the only computer "repair" shop around here to fix the problem so I suppose a little more won't hurt.
Do you mean the (second monitor) PCI or the (primary monitor) AGP?
Thanks again Marty,
Randy

Hi,

I was sorta thinkin yu could get a nice AGP dual-display card... and keep the display off the pci bus...

HTH, MPH

If you think that's the problem I'll order today...can you define nice(ie your opinion on where to buy, brand, 32mb enough? etc)
Thanks again Marty,
Randy

Howdy,

I'm still using a laptop, so I haven't any firsthand experience...


There are a lot of ATI cards in use 'round here tho. The other mentioned is the nvidia line...


(FWIW, I don't have any ethical issues with returning it if it doesn't resolve the issue... return policies are there for a reason.)


mph