4.5 hours on Dual layer

PaulJG wrote on 5/18/2009, 1:49 PM
I have a client that wants her event taped and fit on one disk. The event is 4 hours and will have some credits etc.

I don't like putting that much on a Dual Layer, but hey she is the boss.

Shooting HDV, but will be exporting from camera into Vegas in SD wide-screen for editing.

Output will be Wide-screen SD

What would be the best settings in Vegas and in DVD Architecture?

Although I have a stand alone 5 disk burner, after editing, I may just outsource the DVD for Replication to skip the inevitable coasters.



Vegas 9 - 64-bit
Vista 64-bit
4 gigs ram
dual processor.

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musicvid10 wrote on 5/18/2009, 2:29 PM
This will help you determine your average bitrate.
http://www.videohelp.com/calc.htm
Be sure to set it for 8.5GB

Edit: Looks like you should make 4 hrs easy at 4Mbs, which is OK, but not ideal.
Jeff9329 wrote on 5/19/2009, 12:32 PM
At 4MBs you might consider using the Cinema Craft Encoder. At anything less than 3 (if for some reason you go that far) you would certainly want to use it for the best video quality.

Have you had luck burning DL-DVDs in quantity? Outsourcing seems to add a lot more reliability to the project, at a price.
rs170a wrote on 5/19/2009, 12:53 PM
My bitrate calc says a CBR of 3,656,000 or a VBR of 6,392,000 / 3,656,000 / 2,192,000.
This assumes 192 kb/s AC-3 audio.

Mike
musicvid10 wrote on 5/19/2009, 12:57 PM
Isn't Cinemacraft about $1000?
Or is there a cheaper version for us non-bankers?
rs170a wrote on 5/19/2009, 1:25 PM
CINEMA CRAFT Encoder Basic
$58.00 U.S. :-)

Mike
musicvid10 wrote on 5/19/2009, 2:00 PM
Now you've tweaked my interest, Mike.
Do you have it? Is it noticeably better than MainConcept and Tmpgenc?
How is it at lower bitrates (4Mbs)?
DGates wrote on 5/19/2009, 3:03 PM
I'd avoid dual-layers like the plague.
Porpoise1954 wrote on 5/19/2009, 5:45 PM
I use them all the time without any issues.
rs170a wrote on 5/19/2009, 7:02 PM
Sorry musicvid but I've only read about it.
I did a really quick search on Cinema Craft encoder and see that it's come up here in the past so check out some of the threads if you're interested.

Mike
musicvid10 wrote on 5/19/2009, 8:22 PM
Downloaded the trial and here are my initial observations:

1) Very fast (2x) compared to MainConcept, but then I'd have to figure in the time to smart-render the whole project to DV-AVI first.

2) At 6Mbs, maybe a very slight (subjective) improvement over MainConcept; the colors are a bit closer to the source files (as you know, I am hypersensitive to small color shifts, it used to be my profession).

3) At 4Mbs, better saturation, contrast, and less noise than MainConcept. Although slight, it is noticeable to me.

Worth $58 to me? Right now, it's wait and see . . .
PaulJG wrote on 5/20/2009, 10:10 AM
I get sometimes 5-10% coasters.

I burn at less then the disk stated rate. For instance 8x on disk, but I burn at 6x.

Are there any benefits burning at the slowest rate, say 2.5x?

The best disk I found to use is Verbatim. Others are not a reliable.
musicvid10 wrote on 5/20/2009, 10:20 AM
"Are there any benefits burning at the slowest rate, say 2.5x?"

No, usually backing off just one notch from max is sufficient to reduce write errors.
LReavis wrote on 5/20/2009, 1:43 PM
I switched to TMPGenc long ago. It's great for the 2-hour projects I've burned, but am likely to have at least a 3-hour project soon. Any comparisons with TMPGenc at 4 Mbs?
DGates wrote on 5/20/2009, 1:57 PM
..."I get sometimes 5-10% coasters"...

One out of 10 is better than DL's used to be, but still too high for peace of mind.

PaulJG wrote on 5/22/2009, 12:05 PM
I found a replicating company that has a great price. They will replicate my Dual Layer to DVD-9 to printing to packaging at a fraction of the cost of discmakers. They also will replicate smaller quantities.

http://www.newcyberian.com/