4 gigs of ram

evm wrote on 2/5/2006, 9:40 AM
I was wondering, I am not real computer smart but I have a dual core 2.8 GHZ intel cpu with 4 gigs of ram and 360 gig raid hard drive.

Does Vegas utilize the 4 gigs of ram automatically?
Does Vegas even need lots of ram for performance?
I ask because when I try to set the dynamic ram preview max amount of ram in the preferences section, the program will only allow 1 gig. Not that I really want more that a 1 gig ram preview, I just thought it was weird that I could only do 1 gig.

I also have another question. I was working on a project that was about 6 minutes long but the project had alot 5 second clips. Probably around 100 clips in the timeline. When I got near the end of the video, Vegas started acting weird/crashing. Files in the explorer tab that normally had a Real Player logo next to them changed into white square's with a blue line at the top, peaks were not evident, and when I would try to open the project, Vegas would lose track of the file's that were in the timeline, even though the files were in the same location.

Just wondering if anyone had saw this before.

Comments

jrazz wrote on 2/5/2006, 9:54 AM
Take a look at this thread. It should be helpful to you.

Also, in Vegas, RAM is rarely used. You could have 256mb of RAM and it would barely make a difference conerning render times. Vegas utilizes your CPU. Ram is helpful in building previews for clips, but 4gigs or 256mb doesn't really make a difference in Vegas.

j razz
riredale wrote on 2/5/2006, 10:06 AM
I think the previous post needs to be slightly modified. IN MANY CASES a lot of ram is not needed, but there are exceptions. In the stuff that I do (documentary-style epics), Vegas never needs all that much ram, maybe 100MB. But I get the distinct impression that Vegas eats up ram like candy under certain conditions. I think one of those situations would be where there are lots of high-resolution stills on the timeline. And of course, a lot of ram is needed if the user sets aside a large chunk for ram previewing.
Ayath The Loafer wrote on 2/5/2006, 10:17 AM
"I think one of those situations would be where there are lots of high-resolution stills on the timeline."

I've had two projects - one with about twenty stills in them (1024x768)
and one with 270+ stills of same size.
In both instances my pc used about 700MB RAM when I rendered.

Ayath
johnmeyer wrote on 2/5/2006, 1:28 PM
There was a "bug" in early 6.0 versions where RAM usage got way out of hand when rendering lots of high resolution stills. I think that is somewhat under control in 6.0c, although I haven't done a project in six months that used more than a dozen stills.
rmack350 wrote on 2/5/2006, 3:04 PM
You have a few factors at play. The first is that Windows may not let Vegas consume more than 2 GB of ram without some registry tweaks. The other is that a 32bit system can't really address a full 4GB of ram, even though you can install it. The total addresses available would be able to handle that much memory as long as there were no other hardware and software in need of addresses. So, get rid of the computer and you can address the ram.

If you look at your system properties, on the general tab, you should be able to see how much memory Windows is addressing. I expect you'll see a number around 3.2GB

Rob Mack

JJKizak wrote on 2/5/2006, 3:07 PM
It will be around 3.2 gigs but it will make a ton of difference on a 1.5 hr. HDV project.

JJK
rmack350 wrote on 2/5/2006, 3:13 PM
The wierd crashing might be a different issue. We just had a somewhat similar issue with jpg files in Windows Explorer. Folders full of jpegs would eventually crash explorer.

Turned out that the problem was related to Photoshop 6. The user had allowed Photoshop to associate jpegs with itself when it was installed. So every time the Explorer would go to photoshop to get the PSD icon, photoshop would read the file's data and provide all sorts of extra information back to explorer. This was information like camera data embedded in the file.

Eventually Explorer would crash. The solution was to uninstall photoshop and then reinstall it. It's possible that Real is doing the same thing with your media files. While researching this I saw that people were having similar problems with AVI files.

Of course it could be something else entirely. You didn't say what type of media was on the timeline.

Rob Mack
evm wrote on 2/6/2006, 5:51 AM
The media files are AVI files, I guess my REAL player is assigned to play those types of files. Vegas basically forgets where the files in the timeline are located and I get those weird icon changes in the explorer tab. I also get crashing. I looked around for topics on it and found none. The only thing I read about was FAT32 formatted hard drives having some similar problem but my drive is a RAID, do they format RAID hard rives in FAT32?
rmack350 wrote on 2/6/2006, 9:51 AM
Sure, RAID can be formatted as Fat32.

I've never seen Vegas do this. I'm suspicious of the fact that REAL is associated with AVI files. Real has a reputation for doing unwanted and spyware-like things on people's computers and the best course is to never ever install it. However, if you do install it you need to read every possible screen during setup, as they put opt-out checkboxes in very obscure places that you wouldn't normally see.

Here's a possible test. Go to Windows Explorer and find an AVI file (with the REAL icons, of course). Right-click and select properties. Are there extra informational tabs in there? On my system I get three tabs: General, Security, and Summary. If you have more then REAL is adding them. I think this can create some performance issues as the system has to go to REAL to get the icons and this other info as well. It could be that increasing your Windows Icon Cache to 4 MB might help but probably the best thing you could do is uninstall REAL. You can install it again later being sure to read every possible screen and making sure REAL isn't the default player for anything but REAL files.

Vegas makes heavy use of the plumbing that comes with Windows. This usually makes it stable but if another program is messing with the system at a fundamental level then it could quite possibly cause trouble for Vegas.

For now, just check the file properties of the AVIs to make sure REAL isn't adding info to them.

Rob Mack
evm wrote on 2/6/2006, 3:51 PM
No, I just have 2 tabs in the properties menu, GENERAL and SUMMARY. I have unchecked real player as the default player for ALL files. Should I also do this for quick time? Where would I check to see how my hard drive is formatted?

How do I play files now if I want to view them or do you just not use players on your CPU? Is it ok to have windows media player as my default media player?
farss wrote on 2/6/2006, 4:47 PM
Certainly having WMP as the default will not hurt and it's easy enough to open the player that you want and then open the file from that, gives you more control.
Bob.
rmack350 wrote on 2/6/2006, 9:28 PM
You have to take what I'm saying with a huge grain of salt. I really don't know if Real is a problem or not. I just happen to have gone through a similar problem with photoshop causing Explorer to crash. One of the symptoms was corrupt icons and something that seemed like a memory conflict.

I think that if you don't have additional tabs showing up makes me think that REAL might not be the problem. But if you decide to pursue REAL then it might not be enough to just change the file associations. You really needed to uninstall the application.

The thing about REAL is that as long as you say it's the default player it's a suspect. When you try to troubleshoot a problem you first want to eliminate the wildcards. So, maybe it's not a problem. Most systems don't have REAL installed. In the course of simplifying the problem, I'd want to start by getting rid of REAL.

Rob Mack