4k xavc support in SVP13

Markzzzzz wrote on 9/7/2014, 11:25 AM

Hi, I have been looking at some xavc footage in After Effects. AE does everything I need to do with it but I still wanted to test it in Vegas.
To my surprise Vegas could not handle it. The footage was from an F55.
Vegas (and for that Matter Content Browser) did not report any errors, the frames stayed black. So my question is: does Vegas handle all varieties of 4k export from the F55?
I exported the footage from AE/AME using their XAVC 4k Avc-Intra codec and Vegas and Content Browser could handle that.
I don't know what firmware the camera had.
thanks

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astar wrote on 9/8/2014, 6:14 PM

Upload a few second clip from the camera to dropbox. I think Sony expects you use the raw viewer to convert 4k footage before editing. I too find it odd that high end F-series footage is not droppable on the time line the same way RED footage is.

Markzzzzz wrote on 9/10/2014, 8:07 AM

Hi,
I will delete this soon.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72085610/A005C012_14070700.mxf

thanks

NormanPCN wrote on 9/10/2014, 10:19 AM

MediaInfo says...

Format : Sony RAW SQ
Format settings, wrapping mode : Frame (D-10)
Codec ID : 0E060D0302010100-0E06040102040201

Seems to be camera RAW data and not XAVC.My Vegas 13 install won't drop the media onto the timeline.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/10/2014, 10:28 AM

It is RAW and you can use Sony's RAW Content Viewer to convert it to XAVC and then bring it into Vegas.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/software_for_sony_equipment

Markzzzzz wrote on 9/10/2014, 2:46 PM

thanks very much to you all, that explains it.

Markzzzzz wrote on 9/12/2014, 7:00 AM

I loaded RAW Viewer, it looks very good.

Added my clip (the one above) and it did initially look good. The picture in the Clip Browser looked as expected.
However I could not get it to appear in the Clip Player,
Has anyone loaded it and tried that clip? if you did what was the outcome? and are you on Win or Mac?

Om windows, RAW Viewer does not look right. The window is too big and you cant re-size it :-(
mark

astar wrote on 9/15/2014, 9:07 PM

Since your footage is RAW format, you might want to skip the XAVC route and try EXR. The file sizes will be much larger, but you will retain the actual range of image information in the RAW data. There is compression built into EXR, however, Sony's raw viewer does not seem to support the RLE, ZIP, or lossy compression of the latest version of EXR.

Here is the workflow I used on the clip you uploaded.

Raw viewer
Import clip - Color grading space ACES Log

Export format OpenEXR

Video No Compression, 16-bit, bake-ACES/Linear

Export to folder

Vegas:
Import EXR image sequence, then change the clip media color space to ACES

Change project settings to match clip format, and color space to 32-bit full, View transform to ACES RRT (sRGB)

In the project media, right click the EXR sequence and select Create Proxy.

From here you can drag the clip to the timeline and use 32-bit effects only. Unless you have a super high end display system out of your computer, you will be looking at a transform to the sRGB color space. Digital Cinema will have more range.

You should be able to edit the footage and play it back in Best/Good quarter setting at full frame rate. If not, then you can switch to Preview Auto to make edits at full frame rate via the proxy file, then switch back to best to see the details and colors.

To render out create a new render profile that is the size you want ,for example 1080p@25fps, and under the project tab choose color space ACES RRT 709. I used Sony AVC and not MC mp4.

This way your edited project will retain the info the camera is capable of capturing, and you can output to any format that is required, including DCP with the right codec loaded.

Someone I am sure will correct my workflow, but this process seemed to look ok to me. I did no color correction or changes in the RAW view, just ran the footage through the system.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=6B1B1D78F12EDDEF!30173&authkey=!ALNqUO9lKMj4huQ&ithint=video%2cmp4

http://www.openexr.com/documentation.html

Markzzzzz wrote on 9/17/2014, 6:15 AM

thanks very much for doing that.
The ungraded color already looks very good in the clip.

mark

Markzzzzz wrote on 10/1/2014, 1:48 AM

I switched to another computer and the interactive parts of RAW Viewer worked just fine. However on my main computer there are problems. Tried out the new Catalyst and it could not display the clip either :-(

I tried disabling the graphics card in both RAW Viewer and Catalyst and things are much improved. RAW Viewer can now display the clip in the viewer (but still cant' play it) Catalyst can play the clip!

So it seems both packages are hardware dependent.

Win8.1 + patches, NVidea GEFORCE GT 545

astar wrote on 10/1/2014, 5:54 PM

If you could fill out your system specs or post a text version of Speccy's summary output, not the entire output just to OS, this might help determine some issues. Another spec tools is msinfo, and then upload the export file to dropbox and share it. Based on the posted spec of that NV545 card, it is most likely not up to the task. Try an AMD r9 series and see if that helps your system performance. The r9 280x is a very good price/performance right now, 290x is still over priced. PCIe bottlenecks might still be an issue with the faster GPU, so thats why the system specs are important. If you run a "Winsat memformal" command, your memory bandwidth should significantly exceed your GPU slot interface.

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-280X-vs-GeForce-GT-545