9.0c, so I have disappearing jpegs...

Doug_Marshall wrote on 12/27/2009, 2:18 PM
I just read in another post that Vegas 9.0c 64-bit has problems mixing avchd with jpegs - and that's exactly what I'm trying to do and failing. The video behaves ok but jpegs seem to come and go unpredictably. Sometimes you see red in the timeline, sometimes a blank preview screen at that spot, sometimes the preview flashes in and out unpredictably.

Is there a solution? Is there a way to migrate a half-finished 9.0 video back to 8.0 if I need to?

Comments

John_Cline wrote on 12/27/2009, 2:44 PM
The native image format of Vegas is PNG, you might try converting your JPGs to PNG.
xberk wrote on 12/27/2009, 3:03 PM
you might try converting your JPGs to PNG.

I thought the same thing -- but the problem seems to run deeper than AVCHD or PNG but rather something fundamental to certain still images (not all). I've given up on it and gone back to using 9.0b. I believe Sony is aware of the issue now.

Still image problem in 9.0c

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Doug_Marshall wrote on 12/27/2009, 3:25 PM
Yes, converting to png made no difference. Is there a link to 9.0b? I can only find 9c on the site. I decided to be smart and wait until 9.0c to upgrade. Ha! ;-)
Chienworks wrote on 12/27/2009, 3:51 PM
"The native image format of Vegas is PNG"

I see this statement posted a lot in this forum from users. Can anyone point to a reference stating this from the Sony folks? It strikes me as apocryphal.
xberk wrote on 12/27/2009, 5:23 PM
You can find a copy of 9.0b in the archives:
Sony Software Archinve

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Doug_Marshall wrote on 12/27/2009, 6:30 PM
Got it. Thanks!
xberk wrote on 12/27/2009, 7:04 PM
Kelly this PNG vs JPG thing intrigued me enough to do a little research. I thought you might be right that there is no official "Sony" reason that PNG's are considered best for Vegas. Maybe just a myth. I know in Spot's new book on Vegas 9 (and it's been in there at least since his book on Vegas 6) Spot says that stills should be "saved as PNG files for optimum use in Vegas." But why? He doesn't explain.

I did find this in the Sony Knowledgebase PNG's recommended by Sony. Seems official. But frankly, I use mostly JPG's with no problem.

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apit34356 wrote on 12/27/2009, 7:18 PM
Don't forget PNGs can have an alpha channel and (I'm guessing here) was part of the Qtime codex lib Sony used in the earlier years.
Chienworks wrote on 12/27/2009, 7:22 PM
That recommendation seems merely for avoiding the compression artifacts seen in .jpg files. However, if your image is already saved as .jpg then resaving it as .png isn't going to help at all. You'll just have a lossless copy of an image that's already suffered loss.

There's no mention there that Vegas handles .png better; it merely points out that .png is a higher quality format.
MTuggy wrote on 12/28/2009, 8:18 AM
I had the same problem develop as well with images (both jpeg and png's) going black or the dreaded "red frame" as well. It only occurs in 64 bit V9c, not the 32 bit v9c so I am rendering out my video projects in the 32 bit version if this occurs in the project. You are right, it is unpredictable which images go blank both in the preview and the render. Some jpegs are fine, others are not. I tried resizing, switching to PNG's but neither made a difference that was predictable. I think its an extension of the memory handling issues in V9.

Mike
Derm wrote on 12/28/2009, 9:18 AM
Have had many jpeg issues in Vegas, mainly cured by V9, but Vegas does not like really large jpegs or any profile other than RGB.If you have a quality camera and you are tempted to load the file directly to Vegas, you are probably still above the new jpeg handling size. reducing the image size and checking if the profile is RGB may help. These observations are from personal experience.