A question for Windows Vista users

GregFlowers wrote on 8/18/2007, 11:26 AM
I am considering building a new computer based on the quad core Q6600 now that its price has fallen. My dilema is whether or not to install Windows XP or Vista. I always upgrade Vegas and I heard Vegas 8 may take advantage of Vista 64. My concern is that I still use a lot of older programs like Commotion, After Effects 5.5, Photoshop 7, Cinema 4D 8, etc. I have no desire to invest a lot of money to upgrade these programs to their newest versions and some like Commotion aren't even supported anymore.

Does Vista have a good track record of being backwards compatible with older progams? I have been happy with XP but I'm worried it will become obsolete in a year or two. Does anyone have any opinions or recommendations for me? It seems like an awkward time for me to build a new computer but I'd like to have it ready for an upcoming project this fall.

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Coursedesign wrote on 8/18/2007, 2:58 PM
Photoshop 7 has been confirmed to work. The rest are iffy.

Vista has a track record of creating trouble of many different kinds, and right now it doesn't offer any useful benefit over the nearly rock solid Windows XP.

My recommendation would be to stick with Win XP, and upgrade to Vista later when it has stabilized, and you can afford upgrades to your pro apps.

Upgrading to Vista will just get less and less expensive, as Microsoft is trying more and more desperately to get some momentum going.

ushere wrote on 8/18/2007, 4:30 PM
second coursedesign's recommendation.

had a play with vista and decided i didn't have enough hair left to lose over it's driver problems, older program idiosyncrasies, etc.,

the problem with being on the cutting edge is you usually find yourself bleeding to death.

leslie
dat5150 wrote on 8/18/2007, 4:34 PM
Vegas works fine under Vista. Problems occur because many software vendors are still working to get Vista ready...many of them are coming out with Vista versions this summer. Whose to blame?...MS who had a beta out for over a year or software makers tired of MS shifting gears? At this point, who cares....Vista is here.. IMO, you might as well adopt the current offering and prep for the future....don't forget, its not like XP was dead on out of the box.
DrLumen wrote on 8/18/2007, 7:56 PM
IMS, Vista ultimate(?) only allows for use on 2 cores. To use a quad fully you would have to buy 2 vista licenses.

Maybe that has changed but it was that way at one time.

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rmack350 wrote on 8/19/2007, 2:07 AM
You should wait and see just exactly what the details are with Vegas 8. I'd recommend staying with XP unless there's a super killer reason to use Vista.

I'm assuming Vegas 8 will be backwards compatible with XP, and that the 64-bit version will be the same with XP64.

You could build now and install XP. If Vista becomes required at some time you could install it.

Rob Mack
rmack350 wrote on 8/19/2007, 2:10 AM
I think that's not true. I think it's two physical processors and the cores aren't restricted.

Rob
blink3times wrote on 8/19/2007, 6:10 AM
"IMS, Vista ultimate(?) only allows for use on 2 cores. To use a quad fully you would have to buy 2 vista licenses.

Maybe that has changed but it was that way at one time."
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What????

I run Vista ultimate 64 on a quad with no licensing problems at all. I have also run vista 32 in the past on my quad with no issues.

If there is a concern on program computability with vista, then the best thing to do is run dual boot XP/vista. This is what I have set up, but for the most part I use Vista. The are only a few times that I have to boot up on XP, and one of those times is for Avid Liquid which won't presently run on vista. Vegas on the other hand works fine. There are some minor issues with Media Manager and there are some work arounds for it... but i don't use MM and it's therefore much easier to simply turn it off.
DrLumen wrote on 8/19/2007, 7:08 AM
Maybe that has changed but it was that way at one time.

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rjkrash wrote on 8/19/2007, 7:29 AM
Consider this from Jim Louderback at PC Mag. Like Jim I also have removed Vista from my system for similar reasons.

rj
JJKizak wrote on 8/19/2007, 7:37 AM
What really is the differrence between Vista 64 and XP 64?
JJK
blink3times wrote on 8/19/2007, 8:22 AM
"What really is the differrence between Vista 64 and XP 64?"
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Support for starters. I don't exactly know where Sony stands on the issue, but I do know for a fact that both Avid and Pinnacle have clearly stated that although they will continue present and existing patches/support, they will be moving FORWARD with the new technology (Vista included) and they do not intend to further support towards XP. Many people do feel more comfortable with XP, but it is for the most part yesterday's stuff and will eventually be left behind.

Don't get me wrong... I am sure not an advocate of Vista... I think what ever some one is happy with is just fine. But I've been using Vista Ultimate 64 on a quad core for at least a couple of months now and I have not had any big problems. It was a pain in the butt for the first month or so until I got all the added security features customized in the direction that suits me. And just as when XP came out, there are a few minor bugs that need to be cleaned up but nothing major. I can't say that I have any major trouble with drivers either. I think the worst that I can say here is that most people do have the drivers out but they are not QUITE complete. There are some features for example on my sound card and my Epson r 320 printer that are no longer supported. I can no longer customize individual sound volumes for each of my speakers in my 5.1 surround system. And my printer can no longer automatically set the the media type... I have to open printer properties and choose DVD Printing for disk printing... but these are all pretty minor issues.

If you have some older equipment however, then you may well end up having to delete and/or replace it. I had some older network printing hardware/software stuff for example, which i had to remove because the manufacturer claimed the the stuff was too old and therefore not worth advancing to the vista level.

But for the most part, I have been quite happy with Vista Ultimate64 and don't very often boot up on xp anymore.
xberk wrote on 8/19/2007, 11:40 AM
I have a laptop running Vegas on 32 bit Vista. One annoying thing is that Vegas, once minimized, will not always "restore" without going into Task Manager and doing a "switch to" to get Vegas back up ... I don't have this problem with other software so it might be something in Vegas that V8 will fix.

Generally I'm happy with Vista and very very happy with it's "search" ability to find files.

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riredale wrote on 8/19/2007, 3:56 PM
It's true that Vista has a much better file search process built-in than XP.

It's also true, however, that one can add any of a number of freeware search utilities to XP to make it equivalent.

Not wishing here to criticize one's choice of OS, just pointing out that for many, Vista is the answer to a question no one is asking.
Coursedesign wrote on 8/19/2007, 5:55 PM
For file search, Google Desktop does the job in XP without any delay, it never gets in the way, and it's free.
bigrock wrote on 8/19/2007, 6:07 PM
You said "IMS, Vista ultimate(?) only allows for use on 2 cores. To use a quad fully you would have to buy 2 vista licenses"

This is totally incorrect and a misinterperation of the license. Vista Ultimate can be legally used on up to Physical Processors chips. The amount of cores on each chip is irrelevant. So a Q6600 with it's 4 cores would be 1 of those 2 allowable physical chips. When Penryn comes with it's 8 cores processors it will still be ok as it's only 1 Physical chip.
Coursedesign wrote on 8/19/2007, 10:04 PM
Since MS has been going back and forth on the interpretation of their own licenses (Vista Home is OK to run in a virtual machine. Is Not. Is Too. Is Not.), is there a current reference for this interpretation?
Steve Mann wrote on 8/21/2007, 5:01 PM
I am forced to use Vista until the moving van arrives with my work computers. I hate it even more every day, but I don't want to interrupt my mobile workflow by replacing it on my laptop.

I have yet to find a single shred of an advantage to "upgrade" any of my computers to Vista. When MS stops supporting XP in the future, I will likely switch to Macs. Despite my substantial investment in Sony software.

EVERYTHING runs slower in Vista, if t runs. And the UI is designed as if AOL was a design goal to emulate (dumb and dumber?).

Steve Mann

Steve Mann
Coursedesign wrote on 8/22/2007, 2:44 PM
It's possible that a large portion of the world will be dragging their feet on Vista until Windows 7 appears in 2010, not seeing any significant benefit to "upgrade" from Windows XP to "Windows AOL."

(Thanks Steve, that was priceless :O).

(Windows 7 is Microsoft's official name for the next version of Windows. The name and the release year were just officially leaked by MS, probably to prevent their shareholders from selling all their stock in desperation over the Vista quagmire.)

The benefit exception may be users of new 64-bit applications such as Vegas 8 (we hope).

JJKizak wrote on 8/22/2007, 4:37 PM
You would think that for 9 billion you could create a quad binary system modeled on the human DNA chain.Then they could call it "Quo Vadista"
JJK
Coursedesign wrote on 8/22/2007, 5:51 PM
Did you know that Quo Vadis? was Latin for Wass'up?

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MH_Stevens wrote on 8/29/2007, 9:59 PM
or Que Pi(a)sa?