Achieving best quality in DVD / mpeg4

john-killick wrote on 1/17/2012, 5:36 PM
Hi Guys

Im shooting projects using my Panasonic HDC SD700 and the final outcome is usually presented via a standard VGA projector. I am keen to maximise video and audio quality but obviously the projector will be the weakest link.

At present I use vegas' dvd quality settings, render a mpg4 to my hard drive and play it from there. The results are good but not great

So the question is - can I tweak the custom settings such as bit rate to squeeze max quality out.

Thanks

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Steve Grisetti wrote on 1/17/2012, 6:47 PM
The camcorder shoots in a variety of modes and resolutions. Which resolution are you shooting in? (If you want the best quality and you're editing in Vegas Movie Studio, avoid the 60p settings.) Then match your project properties to your video. To get the best output, you need to match your video source to your project properties as closely as possible.

You say you're saving to a DVD-quality MP4? If your project is standard def video, why not just burn a DVD and play that?
john-killick wrote on 1/18/2012, 2:53 AM
Hey Steve thanks for the quick reply.

The camcorder shoots the following recording Modes 1080 / 50p (28Mbps / VBR) , (1920 x 1080) / HA (17Mbps / VBR) , (1920 x 1080) / HG (13Mbps / VBR) , (1920 x 1080) / HX (9Mbps / VBR) , (1920 x 1080) / HE (5Mbps / VBR) , (1920 x 1080)

Im shooting in HG1920 and importing to vegas as a new dvd project ( 4:3 non-widescreen format (Video: 720x576, 25.000 fps interlaced.) I then render a mpg4 to my hard drive as I thought that would be better than the Mpg2 on a dvd.

Chienworks wrote on 1/18/2012, 7:06 AM
Depends on the bitrate. At similar bitrates mpg4 is likely to be better than mpg2. However, without you specifying what bitrates you're using, you face situations such as 8Mbps mpg2 being MUCH better than 2Mpbs mpg4.

It's not the codec that matters as much as the compression level.
john-killick wrote on 1/18/2012, 9:16 AM
Thanks Chienworks

Takes me back to my original question.

Can I achieve a noticeable improvement in quality by tweaking the standard settings like bitrate in vegas I can customise most of these
Steve Grisetti wrote on 1/18/2012, 9:49 AM
Not if you're outputting to a DVD (which is, of course, standard definition -- not high-def like your original footage).

DVD quality is usually virtually as good as the original footage -- but not even the original footage is high resolution, of course.

You will also see some reduced quality if you're shooting 50p, which Vegas does not work well with at 1920x1080 AVCHD. Does that camcorder offer a 50i option?

[It does. I checked. So I'd recommend you shoot in 1920x1080 50i if you plan to edit in Vegas Movie Studio HD.]
john-killick wrote on 1/18/2012, 10:11 AM
Thanks Steve

And render to DVD rather than mpg4?
Steve Grisetti wrote on 1/18/2012, 10:34 AM
I don't understand the question.

You should get excellent quality on that projector if you create a DVD from your project. There's no value in creating a DVD-quality MP4. But your video will be standard resolution. (Which should still look fine on your projector.)

If you want to create an output that maintains the full resolution of your original hi-def video, you'll need to create a hi-def output like a BluRay disc or a 1920x1080 MP4. However, if your project only projects standard def video, this may not be the best solution.

Will you be playing your video from a computer or a disc player? And do you want full hi-def resolution or DVD resolution?
john-killick wrote on 1/18/2012, 5:34 PM
Sorry for causing confusion.

The projector takes HDMI but the old laptop can only do VGA. So the challenge is to render so something SD that I can project. MPG4 has worked in the past but I hear your advise re DVD
musicvid10 wrote on 1/18/2012, 9:49 PM
"The projector takes HDMI but the old laptop can only do VGA."

Woops, wrong choice.
Beg, borrow, or buy a laptop that will give full HD to the projector. Call your rich auntie.
End of discussion.

Chienworks wrote on 1/19/2012, 6:37 AM
No, the advice isn't to go for DVD. The advice is to use the best quality rendering that will work with your playback/projection system.

Let's assume that your laptop's VGA supports 1024x768, or possibly even 1280x800. Let's also assume that the projector handles the same resolution. Let's also assume that your laptop is recent enough vintage to handle pretty decent playback demands. In that case, rendering a 1024x576 or 1280x720 (whichever your system can handle) at a rather high bitrate will do the job. MPEG4 will give a better result than MPEG2 at the same bitrate. However, it's also possible that an older laptop can more easiily play back an MPEG2 file with a higher bitrate than a similar quality MPEG4 file at a lower bitrate because MPEG2 requires less decoding.

So, try making several versions at different resolutions and different bitrates both in MPEG2 and MPEG4 and see which one looks the best while still playing back smoothly. You won't even need to connect to the projector to make the tests, since anything that plays back ok on the laptop screen will be fine on the projector as well.

The only reason DVD is suggest is that, without knowing the details of your hardware, we can always recommend that a DVD will work, whether it's he optimal quality solution or not.
john-killick wrote on 1/19/2012, 2:43 PM
Before I go HD I want to get my process and technique right,

As someone already said - well shot video can look great at SD if the settings are right