adding chapters & fast forwarding

rtoledo wrote on 5/7/2002, 6:06 PM
I searched and found a couple of posts on this subject, but thought I would ask for a more in depth explanation or links to where one exists.

I need to add " chapters" to a avi file, i tried cutting it into 5 pieces with VV and then tried doing in in UDVDWorkshop, and somehow I got 2 .vob files but no chapters.

What exactly is it that some programs add to a file in the process to make chapters?is it doable in some program like the Ulead line? they all seem alike just slightly different skins with one more option in them ;).

Is there a way to do it in VV ?. I tried the "split" option, but it did not show up as chapters

last, is there a way to add a time marker to the rendered video and would this help the player fast forward a movie?

feel free to email me, besides posting here

Comments

BillyBoy wrote on 5/7/2002, 6:35 PM
I'm afraid that so-called DVD authoring software from what I've seen so far is a major rip-off being far over priced for the features you get. Would be nice if Sonic Foundy added the much needed feature to Vegas Video or offered a seperate product.

Case in point, I just picked up my first 2nd generation DVD burner this week, a model 200i from HP. The drive works fine. The included software for DVD burning is a very basic, watered down, no frills copy of My DVD. It won't do chapters to files you've already created, so all the work I've done while waiting for a second generation drive to hit market was all for nothing if I stick with My DVD which for sure I won't. A work around would be to render in Vegas, scene by scene (chapters) then My DVD it automatically adds a menu button for each. Now very practical. If you upgrade for "only" $300 the ability to add multiple chapters to a single file is included.

Another product Ulead's DVD Workshop also costs in the $300 range and while it allows you to add multiple chapters to a file, the cost is exceedingly prohibitive considering the software does next to nothing. Can anyone say RIP OFF?

I haven't visted myself yet, but I'll wager http://www.vcdhelp.com has some other software recomendations and and some how to. Look to the left of the main window at that site. I'm headed over there soon myself. :-)
vonhosen wrote on 5/7/2002, 7:14 PM
I currently use DVDit and can make chapters on my DVDs without problems. There are more & more programs coming on the market (some reasonably priced) that offer chapters and a host of other features such as motion menu buttons.
DVD authoring is still in its infancy and believe me you'll need patience to get things set up right & probably use half a dozen different programs to get to your end result.
DVDit (by Sonic solutions not Foundry) is made by the company that make the software which produces more commercial DVDs than all other companies put together. Their top flight gear Scenarist is what Hollywood use and if you ask for a quote for a workstation you better have a strong heart & doctor nearby.
DVDit is a massively stripped barebones buggy program for what you pay & has hardly any error code info. (Most problems can be overcome though to burn well using their excellent forum help by others)
The main pluses for DVDit are that in PE form you have 16:9 support, AC-3 audio (2/0) encoding (Uses 10% of disc space that PCM audio does) and the menus give you a fair degree of design flexibility.
A cheaper alternative is a new product by www.dvdcre8.com which has just been bought out by dazzle called DVD complete. This costs $99 and will do all you could want (except AC-3 audio). I haven't used the product myself yet but I am going to get a trial download and would suggest you trial any program you are considering first. I have heard from several users who like it, they reported that there were early problems importing already encoded MPEG -2 files, but the engineers have now sorted this out & the program works well.
kkolbo wrote on 5/7/2002, 10:23 PM
I wasn't quite sure what you were trying to accomplish from your post but everyone is assuming that it is chapters on a DVD. I no longer have DVD Workshop on my machine to give you percise directions, but chapters are created in DVD Workshop, not VV. The instructions in DVDWorkshop are simple, search help.

Both DVDWorkshop and DVDit run about $300. What they do may seem simple, but it actually is quite complex and involves patent payments and all. DVD Workshop each have their strengths and weakness. DVDit works best for me to do industrial or corporate presentation and training discs because of the navigation control. DVD Workshop is more focused on a "Movie" type disc. Which one you use is largely dependent on your application. Until recently you didn't have a choice at this price range.
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doormill wrote on 5/8/2002, 12:11 PM
I can't say I agree with others here about the usefullness of DVD Workshop. I t has all the features of DVDit PE as well as motion menus and motion buttons along with a much simpler interface. I also found it to be much more stable as well as easier to use than DVDit. While setting chapter points is extermely easy to do in DVD Workshop that's not the case with DVDit. The only drawback in DVD Workshop is the larger the file size, the slower it is as far setting chapter points. All other features blow DVDit away in ease of use and stability.


Have a Good Day!
rtoledo wrote on 5/11/2002, 3:35 PM
I looked thru the help in workshop and UV6 and both have the LAMEST one liner helps relating to chapters I've ever seen.

it seems to not want to add chapters to one single .avi file. so I cut a file into 5 sections and then it thought it was 5 separate movies. but once burned you can not skip to the next chapter it just plays the whole thing as one movie

if I import from my camera, every time I stopped the tape that is a new chapter when it is imported into ANY applicaton I have used so far even in VV3 after I edited the whole thing and re-render it.

so I still do not know the what is added inside the file excactly that marks a spot as a chapter begining, I think I'm going to have to learn that TMP.
rtoledo wrote on 5/11/2002, 3:37 PM
"" I can't say I agree with others here about the usefullness of DVD Workshop. I t has all the features of DVDit PE as well as motion
menus and motion buttons along with a much simpler interface. I also found it to be much more stable as well as easier to use
than DVDit. While setting chapter points is extermely easy to do in DVD Workshop that's not the case with DVDit. The only drawback
in DVD Workshop is the larger the file size, the slower it is as far setting chapter points. All other features blow DVDit away in ease
of use and stability.""


I agree that it is "simple" . I want options! I want something made for the PC and not like it waws made for a MAC.

sorry if this is offensive. I just like options, lots of them
BillyBoy wrote on 5/11/2002, 7:29 PM
As I said in another thread I found that Ulead's DVD Movie Factory performs well for the modest price of $45. In fact I only played with the trial version for one day and was impressed enough to pick up a copy at a 20% discount at my local Micro Center store yesterday. It handles files created with the MC MPEG-2 NTSC template without a problem.

You can:

1. add multiple videos, limited only by what will fit on the media
2. add multiple chapters up to 99 from a single rendered file, no splitting needed
3. customize templates to accept your own images
4. add background music for an introduction that plays while menu on screen
5. add a introduction video, that starts play automatically when disk inserted
6. customize templates to accept your own images

Very simple to use, wizard based. Assorted menu templates to select from. You basically make a main menu and sub menu if you're burning multiple videos to the same disk. Tested on my Pioneer 333 DVD player, played flawlessly with all controls including single frame advance, slow motion and reverse working correctly. Also supports VCD and SVCD formats so while I haven't tried those formats, that suggests you could add a poor man's "chapters" feature to VCD's.

To build chapters (what they call scene menu) you only need to click on a "add" button and drag, which generates a thumbnail. To be more precise it supports timecodes, so you could either write down the exact time code from the Vegas Video timeline or just let it search for "I" frames by itself.

All and all a neat little application that don't try to do too much but does what it claims well. :-)

jetdv wrote on 5/13/2002, 2:38 PM
There is one feature of DVDit PE that DVD Workshop does NOT have - AC3 (Dolby Digital) audio allowing you to encode the video at a higher rate because the audio will take up MUCH less space. As for entering chapter points in DVDit, you need to get the time codes from the editing program and enter them manually. It is a bit of a pain but works very well and very precisely. DVDit LE does not allow chapter points at all.
vonhosen wrote on 5/13/2002, 4:26 PM
DVD Complete is a great program for $99
You get motion menu buttons, chaptering is easy and it's wizards if you are not sure what you are doing make it esay to create good looking DVDs.
The main thing it hasn't got is AC-3 audio support but if you are from PAL land as I am, then it wouldn't be too much of a problem because PAL players support MPEG-1 layer II audio and DVD complete won't transcode your .mp2 files to PCM. So you'll still get compressed audio allowing more space for higher bitrate video. (Even if it isn't AC-3)