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Rednroll wrote on 12/17/2000, 11:34 AM
This question is due to get many opinionated responses,
most of them built off of misleading information people
have read or elsewise. The best thing for you to do is do
some research and decide for yourself. AMD and Intel, both
due bench mark comparisons with each other and of course
the results vary to best suit that companies needs. Find
an impartial website that does bench mark studies,
especially the ones that do floating point calculation
comparison, because this is very important in audio
applications. I have found that AMD is kicking Intels ass
right now. You will also find, information saying that a
lot of software is not supported with AMD processors, don't
believe these. I believe this was information freely
distributed by Intel. Intel is gasping for air right now,
and has developed the Pentium 4, because of it. I haven't
heard of anyone being able to afford one right now, but I
guess it might kick some ass. I think, more important
things to look at, is motherboard chipsets instead of
processor speed. At one time that's what AMD's problem
was, their chipsets weren't fast enough to support the
processor, they've turned that around and now Intel has
been having that problem.

My other point is that AMD mother boards currently have a
200Mhz FSB vs. Intels 133Mhz. This is kind of like buying
a Ferrari and only being able to travel the speed limit.
AMD also supports PC133 Memory vs. Intels PC100. All these
little things contribute to system speed and performance.
Processor speed is just a selling point that customers look
at more.

Anyways, as you can tell I decided on the AMD Athlon route
and I can personally say that it has worked very well for
me running Vegas and many plugins and other audio apps, and
I will most likely buy another AMD in the future.

P.S. Other things you have to consider and check out is if
your hardware supports the Motherboard and processor. I
had a scare after I bought my system and found out that my
2 Echo Gina cards, might not be supported under certain AMD
chipset motherboards. Luckily that was only on older VIA
Chipset motherboards and I bought a newer Asus VIA.

There's my 2 pesos,
Brian Franz

Christian wrote:
>>Hi
>>Im planning to upgrade my computer but I am not sure
which
>>way to choose AMD or Intel?
>>What platform does Vegas work best on?
>>I can get a 1Ghz AMD for less than a 800Mhz Pentium but
do
>>I get a more stable system on with Intel?
>>Any responses on the subject will be great. Thanks
void wrote on 12/18/2000, 8:13 AM
Okay, here is my 2 cents worth:

I just completed building my new PIII 733 133fsb. It runs
great never blue screens. Prior to that I was giving AMD a
second chance.

Once apon a time I tried an AMD K5 and it wouldn't even run
windows reliably. I ended up selling to a friend for
50cents. I then went to geniune Intel 233.

When I was looking to upgrade I had heard many great things
about the newer AMD chips and since they were cheaper I
opted to give them another chance. I purchased an AMD K6-2
550 and oh my god!!!!! It was fast and I was happy for the
first 30 minutes until my OS blue screened and I had to re-
install everything again!!.

SO.... I tried the motherload of all!! The award winning
AMD Athlon. I was so excited about this chip, It ran
great, until.......... well lets just say I'm back with
Intel and will NEVER try AMD again.

Just to let you know, I'm not an average computer guy, I
have been in the Internet Business for 6 years and know how
to build a computer. I actually was curious as to why my
AMD's performed well, but not reliably. I did a little
searching and found that yes, the problem was possibly on
my end because I didn't use (and I quote) "an AMD approved
power supply, or an AMD approved Fu**in chipset" As you
can see, I would recommend that if you do opt the AMD path
that you research their website and make sure everything
down to your damn case is AMD approved. I wonder why such
a reliable chip has to be in an AMD approved environment?
Also keep in mind that Intel ran the chipset world for
years and many software manufacturers including Microsoft
tailored their software to the Intel chip. That is not a
lie, hence, as I agree AMD is on the up and up, I will
never own another and I have never had a problem with an
Intel. If troubleshooting computers is your gig, then get
the AMD, if making music is your gig, go with the pro-audio
standard and get an Intel. If you doubt what I say just do
a search for AMD on Deja news in the pro-audio forum.

Just my 2 cents.
-James

Christian wrote:
>>Hi
>>Im planning to upgrade my computer but I am not sure
which
>>way to choose AMD or Intel?
>>What platform does Vegas work best on?
>>I can get a 1Ghz AMD for less than a 800Mhz Pentium but
do
>>I get a more stable system on with Intel?
>>Any responses on the subject will be great. Thanks
TJ wrote on 12/18/2000, 1:28 PM
I'd say AMD Athalon. Vegas, especially with lots of
effects does a lot of floating point, and the AMD
processors do floating point faster than the Intel
processors at a given clock speed.

Add to that the faster FSB of AMD over Intel, and the fact
that a 1Gig AMD costs the same as an 800Mhz PIII and there
is no contest.

I run an AMD at home, (an older 500Mhz one) and Vegas/Sound
Forge runs just fine. I've never seen a blue screen.

(Actually, I've never seen a blue screen on any of my home
machines except once, and that turned out to be a badly
written VPN driver.)

One recommendation to avoid blue screens (not that this is
really any great consideration, despite what the Linux-
heads would have you belive), is to never change Video and
Audio drivers unless you just _have_to_. In the final
analysis, all blue screens are driver bugs. If your
drivers are working, then DON'T change them even if the
hardware manufacture releases an update.

The biggest consideration for AMD vs. Intel for Vegas users
is whether or not your sound card drivers work. If they
do, then you are probably home free. Sound card drivers
always seems to be the weak link for professional audio
cards.... (sigh)

tj


Christian wrote:
>>Hi
>>Im planning to upgrade my computer but I am not sure
which
>>way to choose AMD or Intel?
>>What platform does Vegas work best on?
>>I can get a 1Ghz AMD for less than a 800Mhz Pentium but
do
>>I get a more stable system on with Intel?
>>Any responses on the subject will be great. Thanks
void wrote on 12/18/2000, 2:29 PM
Okay, lets look at these advantages one at a time.

John M. Knoeller wrote:
>>I'd say AMD Athalon. Vegas, especially with lots of
>>effects does a lot of floating point, and the AMD
>>processors do floating point faster than the Intel
>>processors at a given clock speed.

The difference in floating point performance between the
different chips running at the same clock rate would not
even be noticable to the end user. We are talking about
less than nano seconds difference.

>>
>>Add to that the faster FSB of AMD over Intel,

Front side bus speed is a big selling point right now, you
need to keep in mind the the PCI bus (in which your sound
card is plugged into) is still going to run at 66mhz
regardless of a faster front side bus.

and the fact
>>that a 1Gig AMD costs the same as an 800Mhz PIII and
there
>>is no contest.

It's a fact that the 1Gig systems are the most unreliable
out there regardless of whether it's AMD or Intel.

>>
>>I run an AMD at home, (an older 500Mhz one) and
Vegas/Sound
>>Forge runs just fine. I've never seen a blue screen.
>>
>>(Actually, I've never seen a blue screen on any of my
home
>>machines except once, and that turned out to be a badly
>>written VPN driver.)

I don't know what version of windows he is running, but I
sure would like that version.

>>
>>One recommendation to avoid blue screens (not that this
is
>>really any great consideration, despite what the Linux-
>>heads would have you belive), is to never change Video
and
>>Audio drivers unless you just _have_to_. In the final
>>analysis, all blue screens are driver bugs. If your
>>drivers are working, then DON'T change them even if the
>>hardware manufacture releases an update.

This is just not true. Hardware manufactures release
updated drivers to fix incompatibility issues, hence trying
to correct buggy software to prevent blue screens and other
crashes. This argument just doesn't make any sense.
>>
>>The biggest consideration for AMD vs. Intel for Vegas
users
>>is whether or not your sound card drivers work.

Very true!!!, If you go with AMD, I would recomend M-Audio
line of cards, they are excellent at keeping their driver
library up to date.


If they
>>do, then you are probably home free. Sound card drivers
>>always seems to be the weak link for professional audio
>>cards.... (sigh)
>>
>>tj

All in all, the Pro-Audio difference between an Intel 800
and a AMD 1gig will hardly be noticable. You won't be able
to record more tracks since that has more to do with Hard
Drive speed than anything else. It's very doubtful that
the extra 200mhz will afford you any extra direct x effects
going on in the chain. Go with the Pentium, it's more
reliable!!!!

ALso - note, if you are going to run Microsoft Windows SE,
do not install more than 256meg of ram, the OS will never
use it. You will see no gain.

-James
>>
>>
>>Christian wrote:
>>>>Hi
>>>>Im planning to upgrade my computer but I am not sure
>>which
>>>>way to choose AMD or Intel?
>>>>What platform does Vegas work best on?
>>>>I can get a 1Ghz AMD for less than a 800Mhz Pentium but
>>do
>>>>I get a more stable system on with Intel?
>>>>Any responses on the subject will be great. Thanks
Rednroll wrote on 12/18/2000, 5:07 PM
Your point on reliablity is very objectional, My 700Mhz
Athlon had not seen a blue screen either until I installed
Pro Tools Free on my system, and that has more to do with
Digidesign then my Athlon, I uninstalled PTF and my system
rocks. When I purchased my Athlon I was looking at either
a 600Mhz Pentium III or the 700Mhz Athlon, after reading
about all the problems with Intel chipsets for the pentiums
with PC133 and having a price tag of $300 more of a
combination of processor and motherboard, I believe I have
made a wise decision. Like I originally said, the best
thing to do is research and make your own decision. I love
AMD because it's making Intel chips come down in price and
everyone is pushing the technology envelope quicker, so
it's good for everyone, no matter what you choose. I also
have a 200Mhz Pentium I and that still works well too, but
if I can purchase something better for less money...that's
what I'm all about.

James Harold wrote:
>>Okay, lets look at these advantages one at a time.
>>
>>John M. Knoeller wrote:
>>>>I'd say AMD Athalon. Vegas, especially with lots of
>>>>effects does a lot of floating point, and the AMD
>>>>processors do floating point faster than the Intel
>>>>processors at a given clock speed.
>>
>>The difference in floating point performance between the
>>different chips running at the same clock rate would not
>>even be noticable to the end user. We are talking about
>>less than nano seconds difference.
>>
>>>>
>>>>Add to that the faster FSB of AMD over Intel,
>>
>>Front side bus speed is a big selling point right now,
you
>>need to keep in mind the the PCI bus (in which your sound
>>card is plugged into) is still going to run at 66mhz
>>regardless of a faster front side bus.
>>
>> and the fact
>>>>that a 1Gig AMD costs the same as an 800Mhz PIII and
>>there
>>>>is no contest.
>>
>>It's a fact that the 1Gig systems are the most unreliable
>>out there regardless of whether it's AMD or Intel.
>>
>>>>
>>>>I run an AMD at home, (an older 500Mhz one) and
>>Vegas/Sound
>>>>Forge runs just fine. I've never seen a blue screen.
>>>>
>>>>(Actually, I've never seen a blue screen on any of my
>>home
>>>>machines except once, and that turned out to be a badly
>>>>written VPN driver.)
>>
>>I don't know what version of windows he is running, but I
>>sure would like that version.
>>
>>>>
>>>>One recommendation to avoid blue screens (not that this
>>is
>>>>really any great consideration, despite what the Linux-
>>>>heads would have you belive), is to never change Video
>>and
>>>>Audio drivers unless you just _have_to_. In the final
>>>>analysis, all blue screens are driver bugs. If your
>>>>drivers are working, then DON'T change them even if the
>>>>hardware manufacture releases an update.
>>
>>This is just not true. Hardware manufactures release
>>updated drivers to fix incompatibility issues, hence
trying
>>to correct buggy software to prevent blue screens and
other
>>crashes. This argument just doesn't make any sense.
>>>>
>>>>The biggest consideration for AMD vs. Intel for Vegas
>>users
>>>>is whether or not your sound card drivers work.
>>
>>Very true!!!, If you go with AMD, I would recomend M-
Audio
>>line of cards, they are excellent at keeping their driver
>>library up to date.
>>
>>
>> If they
>>>>do, then you are probably home free. Sound card drivers
>>>>always seems to be the weak link for professional audio
>>>>cards.... (sigh)
>>>>
>>>>tj
>>
>>All in all, the Pro-Audio difference between an Intel 800
>>and a AMD 1gig will hardly be noticable. You won't be
able
>>to record more tracks since that has more to do with Hard
>>Drive speed than anything else. It's very doubtful that
>>the extra 200mhz will afford you any extra direct x
effects
>>going on in the chain. Go with the Pentium, it's more
>>reliable!!!!
>>
>>ALso - note, if you are going to run Microsoft Windows
SE,
>>do not install more than 256meg of ram, the OS will never
>>use it. You will see no gain.
>>
>>-James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Christian wrote:
>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>Im planning to upgrade my computer but I am not sure
>>>>which
>>>>>>way to choose AMD or Intel?
>>>>>>What platform does Vegas work best on?
>>>>>>I can get a 1Ghz AMD for less than a 800Mhz Pentium
but
>>>>do
>>>>>>I get a more stable system on with Intel?
>>>>>>Any responses on the subject will be great. Thanks
deef wrote on 12/22/2000, 7:33 PM
Be careful, there are known issues with 1394 cards and Via
chipsets under both Win2k and Win9x.

Brian Franz wrote:
>>Your point on reliablity is very objectional, My 700Mhz
>>Athlon had not seen a blue screen either until I
installed
>>Pro Tools Free on my system, and that has more to do with
>>Digidesign then my Athlon, I uninstalled PTF and my
system
>>rocks. When I purchased my Athlon I was looking at
either
>>a 600Mhz Pentium III or the 700Mhz Athlon, after reading
>>about all the problems with Intel chipsets for the
pentiums
>>with PC133 and having a price tag of $300 more of a
>>combination of processor and motherboard, I believe I
have
>>made a wise decision. Like I originally said, the best
>>thing to do is research and make your own decision. I
love
>>AMD because it's making Intel chips come down in price
and
>>everyone is pushing the technology envelope quicker, so
>>it's good for everyone, no matter what you choose. I
also
>>have a 200Mhz Pentium I and that still works well too,
but
>>if I can purchase something better for less
money...that's
>>what I'm all about.
>>
>>James Harold wrote:
>>>>Okay, lets look at these advantages one at a time.
>>>>
>>>>John M. Knoeller wrote:
>>>>>>I'd say AMD Athalon. Vegas, especially with lots of
>>>>>>effects does a lot of floating point, and the AMD
>>>>>>processors do floating point faster than the Intel
>>>>>>processors at a given clock speed.
>>>>
>>>>The difference in floating point performance between
the
>>>>different chips running at the same clock rate would
not
>>>>even be noticable to the end user. We are talking
about
>>>>less than nano seconds difference.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Add to that the faster FSB of AMD over Intel,
>>>>
>>>>Front side bus speed is a big selling point right now,
>>you
>>>>need to keep in mind the the PCI bus (in which your
sound
>>>>card is plugged into) is still going to run at 66mhz
>>>>regardless of a faster front side bus.
>>>>
>>>> and the fact
>>>>>>that a 1Gig AMD costs the same as an 800Mhz PIII and
>>>>there
>>>>>>is no contest.
>>>>
>>>>It's a fact that the 1Gig systems are the most
unreliable
>>>>out there regardless of whether it's AMD or Intel.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I run an AMD at home, (an older 500Mhz one) and
>>>>Vegas/Sound
>>>>>>Forge runs just fine. I've never seen a blue screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(Actually, I've never seen a blue screen on any of my
>>>>home
>>>>>>machines except once, and that turned out to be a
badly
>>>>>>written VPN driver.)
>>>>
>>>>I don't know what version of windows he is running, but
I
>>>>sure would like that version.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One recommendation to avoid blue screens (not that
this
>>>>is
>>>>>>really any great consideration, despite what the
Linux-
>>>>>>heads would have you belive), is to never change
Video
>>>>and
>>>>>>Audio drivers unless you just _have_to_. In the
final
>>>>>>analysis, all blue screens are driver bugs. If your
>>>>>>drivers are working, then DON'T change them even if
the
>>>>>>hardware manufacture releases an update.
>>>>
>>>>This is just not true. Hardware manufactures release
>>>>updated drivers to fix incompatibility issues, hence
>>trying
>>>>to correct buggy software to prevent blue screens and
>>other
>>>>crashes. This argument just doesn't make any sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The biggest consideration for AMD vs. Intel for Vegas
>>>>users
>>>>>>is whether or not your sound card drivers work.
>>>>
>>>>Very true!!!, If you go with AMD, I would recomend M-
>>Audio
>>>>line of cards, they are excellent at keeping their
driver
>>>>library up to date.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they
>>>>>>do, then you are probably home free. Sound card
drivers
>>>>>>always seems to be the weak link for professional
audio
>>>>>>cards.... (sigh)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>tj
>>>>
>>>>All in all, the Pro-Audio difference between an Intel
800
>>>>and a AMD 1gig will hardly be noticable. You won't be
>>able
>>>>to record more tracks since that has more to do with
Hard
>>>>Drive speed than anything else. It's very doubtful
that
>>>>the extra 200mhz will afford you any extra direct x
>>effects
>>>>going on in the chain. Go with the Pentium, it's more
>>>>reliable!!!!
>>>>
>>>>ALso - note, if you are going to run Microsoft Windows
>>SE,
>>>>do not install more than 256meg of ram, the OS will
never
>>>>use it. You will see no gain.
>>>>
>>>>-James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Christian wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>>Im planning to upgrade my computer but I am not
sure
>>>>>>which
>>>>>>>>way to choose AMD or Intel?
>>>>>>>>What platform does Vegas work best on?
>>>>>>>>I can get a 1Ghz AMD for less than a 800Mhz Pentium
>>but
>>>>>>do
>>>>>>>>I get a more stable system on with Intel?
>>>>>>>>Any responses on the subject will be great. Thanks
dafent wrote on 12/22/2000, 9:37 PM
what are the known issues? Could this be the source of the
grainy edges/artifacts I see when capturing video?

-david abraham

dee wrote:
>>Be careful, there are known issues with 1394 cards and
Via
>>chipsets under both Win2k and Win9x.
>>
>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>>>Your point on reliablity is very objectional, My
700Mhz
>>>>Athlon had not seen a blue screen either until I
>>installed
>>>>Pro Tools Free on my system, and that has more to do
with
>>>>Digidesign then my Athlon, I uninstalled PTF and my
>>system
>>>>rocks. When I purchased my Athlon I was looking at
>>either
>>>>a 600Mhz Pentium III or the 700Mhz Athlon, after
reading
>>>>about all the problems with Intel chipsets for the
>>pentiums
>>>>with PC133 and having a price tag of $300 more of a
>>>>combination of processor and motherboard, I believe I
>>have
>>>>made a wise decision. Like I originally said, the best
>>>>thing to do is research and make your own decision. I
>>love
>>>>AMD because it's making Intel chips come down in price
>>and
>>>>everyone is pushing the technology envelope quicker, so
>>>>it's good for everyone, no matter what you choose. I
>>also
>>>>have a 200Mhz Pentium I and that still works well too,
>>but
>>>>if I can purchase something better for less
>>money...that's
>>>>what I'm all about.
>>>>
>>>>James Harold wrote:
>>>>>>Okay, lets look at these advantages one at a time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John M. Knoeller wrote:
>>>>>>>>I'd say AMD Athalon. Vegas, especially with lots
of
>>>>>>>>effects does a lot of floating point, and the AMD
>>>>>>>>processors do floating point faster than the Intel
>>>>>>>>processors at a given clock speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The difference in floating point performance between
>>the
>>>>>>different chips running at the same clock rate would
>>not
>>>>>>even be noticable to the end user. We are talking
>>about
>>>>>>less than nano seconds difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Add to that the faster FSB of AMD over Intel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Front side bus speed is a big selling point right
now,
>>>>you
>>>>>>need to keep in mind the the PCI bus (in which your
>>sound
>>>>>>card is plugged into) is still going to run at 66mhz
>>>>>>regardless of a faster front side bus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and the fact
>>>>>>>>that a 1Gig AMD costs the same as an 800Mhz PIII
and
>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>is no contest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's a fact that the 1Gig systems are the most
>>unreliable
>>>>>>out there regardless of whether it's AMD or Intel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I run an AMD at home, (an older 500Mhz one) and
>>>>>>Vegas/Sound
>>>>>>>>Forge runs just fine. I've never seen a blue
screen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(Actually, I've never seen a blue screen on any of
my
>>>>>>home
>>>>>>>>machines except once, and that turned out to be a
>>badly
>>>>>>>>written VPN driver.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know what version of windows he is running,
but
>>I
>>>>>>sure would like that version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>One recommendation to avoid blue screens (not that
>>this
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>really any great consideration, despite what the
>>Linux-
>>>>>>>>heads would have you belive), is to never change
>>Video
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>Audio drivers unless you just _have_to_. In the
>>final
>>>>>>>>analysis, all blue screens are driver bugs. If
your
>>>>>>>>drivers are working, then DON'T change them even if
>>the
>>>>>>>>hardware manufacture releases an update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is just not true. Hardware manufactures release
>>>>>>updated drivers to fix incompatibility issues, hence
>>>>trying
>>>>>>to correct buggy software to prevent blue screens and
>>>>other
>>>>>>crashes. This argument just doesn't make any sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The biggest consideration for AMD vs. Intel for
Vegas
>>>>>>users
>>>>>>>>is whether or not your sound card drivers work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Very true!!!, If you go with AMD, I would recomend M-
>>>>Audio
>>>>>>line of cards, they are excellent at keeping their
>>driver
>>>>>>library up to date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they
>>>>>>>>do, then you are probably home free. Sound card
>>drivers
>>>>>>>>always seems to be the weak link for professional
>>audio
>>>>>>>>cards.... (sigh)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>tj
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All in all, the Pro-Audio difference between an Intel
>>800
>>>>>>and a AMD 1gig will hardly be noticable. You won't
be
>>>>able
>>>>>>to record more tracks since that has more to do with
>>Hard
>>>>>>Drive speed than anything else. It's very doubtful
>>that
>>>>>>the extra 200mhz will afford you any extra direct x
>>>>effects
>>>>>>going on in the chain. Go with the Pentium, it's
more
>>>>>>reliable!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ALso - note, if you are going to run Microsoft
Windows
>>>>SE,
>>>>>>do not install more than 256meg of ram, the OS will
>>never
>>>>>>use it. You will see no gain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Christian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>>>>Im planning to upgrade my computer but I am not
>>sure
>>>>>>>>which
>>>>>>>>>>way to choose AMD or Intel?
>>>>>>>>>>What platform does Vegas work best on?
>>>>>>>>>>I can get a 1Ghz AMD for less than a 800Mhz
Pentium
>>>>but
>>>>>>>>do
>>>>>>>>>>I get a more stable system on with Intel?
>>>>>>>>>>Any responses on the subject will be great. Thanks
deef wrote on 12/29/2000, 10:04 PM
probably not...usually manifests itself in blocky gray
video output to DV devices from Video Capture.

David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>what are the known issues? Could this be the source of
the
>>grainy edges/artifacts I see when capturing video?
>>
>>-david abraham
>>
>>dee wrote:
>>>>Be careful, there are known issues with 1394 cards and
>>Via
>>>>chipsets under both Win2k and Win9x.
>>>>
>>>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>>>>>Your point on reliablity is very objectional, My
>>700Mhz
>>>>>>Athlon had not seen a blue screen either until I
>>>>installed
>>>>>>Pro Tools Free on my system, and that has more to do
>>with
>>>>>>Digidesign then my Athlon, I uninstalled PTF and my
>>>>system
>>>>>>rocks. When I purchased my Athlon I was looking at
>>>>either
>>>>>>a 600Mhz Pentium III or the 700Mhz Athlon, after
>>reading
>>>>>>about all the problems with Intel chipsets for the
>>>>pentiums
>>>>>>with PC133 and having a price tag of $300 more of a
>>>>>>combination of processor and motherboard, I believe I
>>>>have
>>>>>>made a wise decision. Like I originally said, the
best
>>>>>>thing to do is research and make your own decision.
I
>>>>love
>>>>>>AMD because it's making Intel chips come down in
price
>>>>and
>>>>>>everyone is pushing the technology envelope quicker,
so
>>>>>>it's good for everyone, no matter what you choose. I
>>>>also
>>>>>>have a 200Mhz Pentium I and that still works well
too,
>>>>but
>>>>>>if I can purchase something better for less
>>>>money...that's
>>>>>>what I'm all about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James Harold wrote:
>>>>>>>>Okay, lets look at these advantages one at a time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John M. Knoeller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I'd say AMD Athalon. Vegas, especially with lots
>>of
>>>>>>>>>>effects does a lot of floating point, and the AMD
>>>>>>>>>>processors do floating point faster than the
Intel
>>>>>>>>>>processors at a given clock speed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The difference in floating point performance
between
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>different chips running at the same clock rate
would
>>>>not
>>>>>>>>even be noticable to the end user. We are talking
>>>>about
>>>>>>>>less than nano seconds difference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Add to that the faster FSB of AMD over Intel,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Front side bus speed is a big selling point right
>>now,
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>need to keep in mind the the PCI bus (in which your
>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>card is plugged into) is still going to run at
66mhz
>>>>>>>>regardless of a faster front side bus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and the fact
>>>>>>>>>>that a 1Gig AMD costs the same as an 800Mhz PIII
>>and
>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>>>is no contest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's a fact that the 1Gig systems are the most
>>>>unreliable
>>>>>>>>out there regardless of whether it's AMD or Intel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I run an AMD at home, (an older 500Mhz one) and
>>>>>>>>Vegas/Sound
>>>>>>>>>>Forge runs just fine. I've never seen a blue
>>screen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>(Actually, I've never seen a blue screen on any
of
>>my
>>>>>>>>home
>>>>>>>>>>machines except once, and that turned out to be a
>>>>badly
>>>>>>>>>>written VPN driver.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't know what version of windows he is running,
>>but
>>>>I
>>>>>>>>sure would like that version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>One recommendation to avoid blue screens (not
that
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>really any great consideration, despite what the
>>>>Linux-
>>>>>>>>>>heads would have you belive), is to never change
>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>Audio drivers unless you just _have_to_. In the
>>>>final
>>>>>>>>>>analysis, all blue screens are driver bugs. If
>>your
>>>>>>>>>>drivers are working, then DON'T change them even
if
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>hardware manufacture releases an update.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is just not true. Hardware manufactures
release
>>>>>>>>updated drivers to fix incompatibility issues,
hence
>>>>>>trying
>>>>>>>>to correct buggy software to prevent blue screens
and
>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>crashes. This argument just doesn't make any sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The biggest consideration for AMD vs. Intel for
>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>users
>>>>>>>>>>is whether or not your sound card drivers work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Very true!!!, If you go with AMD, I would recomend
M-
>>>>>>Audio
>>>>>>>>line of cards, they are excellent at keeping their
>>>>driver
>>>>>>>>library up to date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If they
>>>>>>>>>>do, then you are probably home free. Sound card
>>>>drivers
>>>>>>>>>>always seems to be the weak link for professional
>>>>audio
>>>>>>>>>>cards.... (sigh)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>tj
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All in all, the Pro-Audio difference between an
Intel
>>>>800
>>>>>>>>and a AMD 1gig will hardly be noticable. You won't
>>be
>>>>>>able
>>>>>>>>to record more tracks since that has more to do
with
>>>>Hard
>>>>>>>>Drive speed than anything else. It's very doubtful
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>the extra 200mhz will afford you any extra direct x
>>>>>>effects
>>>>>>>>going on in the chain. Go with the Pentium, it's
>>more
>>>>>>>>reliable!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ALso - note, if you are going to run Microsoft
>>Windows
>>>>>>SE,
>>>>>>>>do not install more than 256meg of ram, the OS will
>>>>never
>>>>>>>>use it. You will see no gain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-James
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Christian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>Im planning to upgrade my computer but I am not
>>>>sure
>>>>>>>>>>which
>>>>>>>>>>>>way to choose AMD or Intel?
>>>>>>>>>>>>What platform does Vegas work best on?
>>>>>>>>>>>>I can get a 1Ghz AMD for less than a 800Mhz
>>Pentium
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>do
>>>>>>>>>>>>I get a more stable system on with Intel?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Any responses on the subject will be great.
Thanks
deef wrote on 1/1/2001, 1:48 PM
See post 218 in the VideoFactory forum for more info.

dee wrote:
>>probably not...usually manifests itself in blocky gray
>>video output to DV devices from Video Capture.
>>
>>David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>>>what are the known issues? Could this be the source of
>>the
>>>>grainy edges/artifacts I see when capturing video?
>>>>
>>>>-david abraham
>>>>
>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>Be careful, there are known issues with 1394 cards
and
>>>>Via
>>>>>>chipsets under both Win2k and Win9x.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>>>>>>>Your point on reliablity is very objectional, My
>>>>700Mhz
>>>>>>>>Athlon had not seen a blue screen either until I
>>>>>>installed
>>>>>>>>Pro Tools Free on my system, and that has more to
do
>>>>with
>>>>>>>>Digidesign then my Athlon, I uninstalled PTF and my
>>>>>>system
>>>>>>>>rocks. When I purchased my Athlon I was looking at
>>>>>>either
>>>>>>>>a 600Mhz Pentium III or the 700Mhz Athlon, after
>>>>reading
>>>>>>>>about all the problems with Intel chipsets for the
>>>>>>pentiums
>>>>>>>>with PC133 and having a price tag of $300 more of a
>>>>>>>>combination of processor and motherboard, I believe
I
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>made a wise decision. Like I originally said, the
>>best
>>>>>>>>thing to do is research and make your own
decision.
>>I
>>>>>>love
>>>>>>>>AMD because it's making Intel chips come down in
>>price
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>everyone is pushing the technology envelope
quicker,
>>so
>>>>>>>>it's good for everyone, no matter what you choose.
I
>>>>>>also
>>>>>>>>have a 200Mhz Pentium I and that still works well
>>too,
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>if I can purchase something better for less
>>>>>>money...that's
>>>>>>>>what I'm all about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>James Harold wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Okay, lets look at these advantages one at a time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John M. Knoeller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>I'd say AMD Athalon. Vegas, especially with
lots
>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>effects does a lot of floating point, and the
AMD
>>>>>>>>>>>>processors do floating point faster than the
>>Intel
>>>>>>>>>>>>processors at a given clock speed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The difference in floating point performance
>>between
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>different chips running at the same clock rate
>>would
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>>even be noticable to the end user. We are
talking
>>>>>>about
>>>>>>>>>>less than nano seconds difference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Add to that the faster FSB of AMD over Intel,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Front side bus speed is a big selling point right
>>>>now,
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>need to keep in mind the the PCI bus (in which
your
>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>card is plugged into) is still going to run at
>>66mhz
>>>>>>>>>>regardless of a faster front side bus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>that a 1Gig AMD costs the same as an 800Mhz
PIII
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>>>>>is no contest.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It's a fact that the 1Gig systems are the most
>>>>>>unreliable
>>>>>>>>>>out there regardless of whether it's AMD or
Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I run an AMD at home, (an older 500Mhz one) and
>>>>>>>>>>Vegas/Sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>Forge runs just fine. I've never seen a blue
>>>>screen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>(Actually, I've never seen a blue screen on any
>>of
>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>home
>>>>>>>>>>>>machines except once, and that turned out to be
a
>>>>>>badly
>>>>>>>>>>>>written VPN driver.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I don't know what version of windows he is
running,
>>>>but
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>sure would like that version.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>One recommendation to avoid blue screens (not
>>that
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>really any great consideration, despite what
the
>>>>>>Linux-
>>>>>>>>>>>>heads would have you belive), is to never
change
>>>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>Audio drivers unless you just _have_to_. In
the
>>>>>>final
>>>>>>>>>>>>analysis, all blue screens are driver bugs. If
>>>>your
>>>>>>>>>>>>drivers are working, then DON'T change them
even
>>if
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>hardware manufacture releases an update.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This is just not true. Hardware manufactures
>>release
>>>>>>>>>>updated drivers to fix incompatibility issues,
>>hence
>>>>>>>>trying
>>>>>>>>>>to correct buggy software to prevent blue screens
>>and
>>>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>>>crashes. This argument just doesn't make any
sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The biggest consideration for AMD vs. Intel for
>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>users
>>>>>>>>>>>>is whether or not your sound card drivers work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Very true!!!, If you go with AMD, I would
recomend
>>M-
>>>>>>>>Audio
>>>>>>>>>>line of cards, they are excellent at keeping
their
>>>>>>driver
>>>>>>>>>>library up to date.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If they
>>>>>>>>>>>>do, then you are probably home free. Sound card
>>>>>>drivers
>>>>>>>>>>>>always seems to be the weak link for
professional
>>>>>>audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>cards.... (sigh)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>tj
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>All in all, the Pro-Audio difference between an
>>Intel
>>>>>>800
>>>>>>>>>>and a AMD 1gig will hardly be noticable. You
won't
>>>>be
>>>>>>>>able
>>>>>>>>>>to record more tracks since that has more to do
>>with
>>>>>>Hard
>>>>>>>>>>Drive speed than anything else. It's very
doubtful
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>the extra 200mhz will afford you any extra direct
x
>>>>>>>>effects
>>>>>>>>>>going on in the chain. Go with the Pentium, it's
>>>>more
>>>>>>>>>>reliable!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>ALso - note, if you are going to run Microsoft
>>>>Windows
>>>>>>>>SE,
>>>>>>>>>>do not install more than 256meg of ram, the OS
will
>>>>>>never
>>>>>>>>>>use it. You will see no gain.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-James
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Christian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Im planning to upgrade my computer but I am
not
>>>>>>sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>way to choose AMD or Intel?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What platform does Vegas work best on?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can get a 1Ghz AMD for less than a 800Mhz
>>>>Pentium
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>>>do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I get a more stable system on with Intel?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any responses on the subject will be great.
>>Thanks
deef wrote on 1/4/2001, 4:45 PM
post 218 is no longer valid...here's the info.

Here are the known Via chipset issues on the MS website
(Win98SE/Win2k):

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q252/9/58.A
SP

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q253/1/52.A
SP

Here is a link to the MS website about general WinMe
troubles::

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q271/4/64.A
SP

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q252/1/85.A
SP


dee wrote:
>>See post 218 in the VideoFactory forum for more info.
>>
>>dee wrote:
>>>>probably not...usually manifests itself in blocky gray
>>>>video output to DV devices from Video Capture.
>>>>
>>>>David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>>>>>what are the known issues? Could this be the source
of
>>>>the
>>>>>>grainy edges/artifacts I see when capturing video?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-david abraham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>>>Be careful, there are known issues with 1394 cards
>>and
>>>>>>Via
>>>>>>>>chipsets under both Win2k and Win9x.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Your point on reliablity is very objectional, My
>>>>>>700Mhz
>>>>>>>>>>Athlon had not seen a blue screen either until I
>>>>>>>>installed
>>>>>>>>>>Pro Tools Free on my system, and that has more to
>>do
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>Digidesign then my Athlon, I uninstalled PTF and
my
>>>>>>>>system
>>>>>>>>>>rocks. When I purchased my Athlon I was looking
at
>>>>>>>>either
>>>>>>>>>>a 600Mhz Pentium III or the 700Mhz Athlon, after
>>>>>>reading
>>>>>>>>>>about all the problems with Intel chipsets for
the
>>>>>>>>pentiums
>>>>>>>>>>with PC133 and having a price tag of $300 more of
a
>>>>>>>>>>combination of processor and motherboard, I
believe
>>I
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>made a wise decision. Like I originally said,
the
>>>>best
>>>>>>>>>>thing to do is research and make your own
>>decision.
>>>>I
>>>>>>>>love
>>>>>>>>>>AMD because it's making Intel chips come down in
>>>>price
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>everyone is pushing the technology envelope
>>quicker,
>>>>so
>>>>>>>>>>it's good for everyone, no matter what you
choose.
>>I
>>>>>>>>also
>>>>>>>>>>have a 200Mhz Pentium I and that still works well
>>>>too,
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>if I can purchase something better for less
>>>>>>>>money...that's
>>>>>>>>>>what I'm all about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>James Harold wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Okay, lets look at these advantages one at a
time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>John M. Knoeller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'd say AMD Athalon. Vegas, especially with
>>lots
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>effects does a lot of floating point, and the
>>AMD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>processors do floating point faster than the
>>>>Intel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>processors at a given clock speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The difference in floating point performance
>>>>between
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>different chips running at the same clock rate
>>>>would
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>>>>even be noticable to the end user. We are
>>talking
>>>>>>>>about
>>>>>>>>>>>>less than nano seconds difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Add to that the faster FSB of AMD over Intel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Front side bus speed is a big selling point
right
>>>>>>now,
>>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>need to keep in mind the the PCI bus (in which
>>your
>>>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>card is plugged into) is still going to run at
>>>>66mhz
>>>>>>>>>>>>regardless of a faster front side bus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that a 1Gig AMD costs the same as an 800Mhz
>>PIII
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is no contest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>It's a fact that the 1Gig systems are the most
>>>>>>>>unreliable
>>>>>>>>>>>>out there regardless of whether it's AMD or
>>Intel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I run an AMD at home, (an older 500Mhz one)
and
>>>>>>>>>>>>Vegas/Sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Forge runs just fine. I've never seen a blue
>>>>>>screen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Actually, I've never seen a blue screen on
any
>>>>of
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>>>home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>machines except once, and that turned out to
be
>>a
>>>>>>>>badly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>written VPN driver.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't know what version of windows he is
>>running,
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>sure would like that version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>One recommendation to avoid blue screens (not
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>really any great consideration, despite what
>>the
>>>>>>>>Linux-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>heads would have you belive), is to never
>>change
>>>>>>>>Video
>>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Audio drivers unless you just _have_to_. In
>>the
>>>>>>>>final
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>analysis, all blue screens are driver bugs.
If
>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>drivers are working, then DON'T change them
>>even
>>>>if
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hardware manufacture releases an update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>This is just not true. Hardware manufactures
>>>>release
>>>>>>>>>>>>updated drivers to fix incompatibility issues,
>>>>hence
>>>>>>>>>>trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>to correct buggy software to prevent blue
screens
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>>>>>crashes. This argument just doesn't make any
>>sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The biggest consideration for AMD vs. Intel
for
>>>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>>>users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is whether or not your sound card drivers
work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Very true!!!, If you go with AMD, I would
>>recomend
>>>>M-
>>>>>>>>>>Audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>line of cards, they are excellent at keeping
>>their
>>>>>>>>driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>library up to date.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>do, then you are probably home free. Sound
card
>>>>>>>>drivers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>always seems to be the weak link for
>>professional
>>>>>>>>audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cards.... (sigh)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tj
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>All in all, the Pro-Audio difference between an
>>>>Intel
>>>>>>>>800
>>>>>>>>>>>>and a AMD 1gig will hardly be noticable. You
>>won't
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>able
>>>>>>>>>>>>to record more tracks since that has more to do
>>>>with
>>>>>>>>Hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>Drive speed than anything else. It's very
>>doubtful
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>>>the extra 200mhz will afford you any extra
direct
>>x
>>>>>>>>>>effects
>>>>>>>>>>>>going on in the chain. Go with the Pentium,
it's
>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>>>>>>reliable!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>ALso - note, if you are going to run Microsoft
>>>>>>Windows
>>>>>>>>>>SE,
>>>>>>>>>>>>do not install more than 256meg of ram, the OS
>>will
>>>>>>>>never
>>>>>>>>>>>>use it. You will see no gain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>-James
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Im planning to upgrade my computer but I am
>>not
>>>>>>>>sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>way to choose AMD or Intel?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What platform does Vegas work best on?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can get a 1Ghz AMD for less than a 800Mhz
>>>>>>Pentium
>>>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I get a more stable system on with Intel?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any responses on the subject will be great.
>>>>Thanks