Angels singing - (wmv clip)

TorS wrote on 9/10/2004, 4:29 AM
In June I went on an English Cathedral Tour with Stavanger Cathedral girls choir (where my daughter sings). I made a 40 min video which is now being distributed among the girls.
Here is a 2.5 min (4.5 MB) wmv clip, showing the choir practise in Southwark Cathedral (in London). One camera (Sony TRV 950), tripod, one mic (Sennheiser MKE 300), Noise Reduction and Vegas. I've used stills to liven up the rather solemn piece and to cover some of the pans and zooms.
Rightclick and save - I don't think it streams very well.
Nunc dimittis

Tor

Comments

JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/10/2004, 4:53 AM
Tor,

The girls do sound like angels and I don’t know what it sounded like before nose reduction was applied but it sounded great. The cutaways added a nice change but I would have made the pans on them a bit slower and not have them start and stop. I think using a continuous, slow, fluid motion would go better with the mood of the music. But that’s just my personal preference. Thanks for sharing.

~jr
OdieInAz wrote on 9/10/2004, 7:15 AM
Looks like a vey nice project. I agree with comments on the pans. Some of the abrupt cut aways are distracting to the solemn tone of the music. Gradual fades with the stills already panning would be very enhancing.

I find dissonance within me created by the music vs. the quick cuts to stills. The beauty of the children, their voices, and the cathedral (not many of those in the states) -- you've set the mood and tug at one's heart, only to be shaken ...

Oh, I've never heard an angel, so can't comment on that. But I do read that many interactions between man and angels are terrifying events, often preceeded with pronouncements like "do no be afraid..."

I'm sure you are a proud parent !!
dxlee38 wrote on 9/10/2004, 9:14 AM
great sound. We really need camcorders to do decent slow mo. You could slow the pans down and fade in and out before they end. Nice lighting. Great project. Good wood!
TorS wrote on 9/10/2004, 2:41 PM
Thanks folks.
I agree about the quick zooms and pans.
My only defense is that this is one part of a 40 min video and the zooms and pans are consistent thoughout. Which means that although they may seem harsh on this solemn piece of music they will not come as a surprise to someone who sees the whole thing.
Also, I'm one for contrasts. If I have a clip or a piece of music that pulls in one direction, I'll always want to add something that pulls the other way. What do you guys think about that - in general?
Tor
DavidMcKnight wrote on 9/10/2004, 3:51 PM
TorS, you make a good point - if this is a small piece of a longer work, and the cuts, titles, and overall style is consistent, it may not cause the dissonance mentioned above. I felt it too, and I bet if this were standalone you might've cut it differently?
TorS wrote on 9/11/2004, 1:04 AM
I think I would (although I probably like a faster approach than the next person). But most of all I'd use different stills, to tell the "story" more completely. Like, what's happening, where are they and why - etc. This has already been done in the larger work.
Tor
apit34356 wrote on 9/11/2004, 1:35 AM
The singing was beautiful, rich colors was nice. Your title was good, but I agree with the others about the pan and crop speed. You had some really great scenes in the video with the girls singing and the background looking great. The scenes and trans should match the flow of the music. Again, the music is just beautiful, so pace the scenes to the music. You really did a great job capturing the music!
TorS wrote on 9/11/2004, 2:32 AM
Thanks. I'm taking your pace argument to heart.
About the audio. What you get for free in most great cathedrals is great reverb. But Southwark is right in Central London, just south of the Thames, near Waterloo Station. You get traffic noise, the occasional train or tube passing - plus (on a rehearsal) you get the tourists wandering about the place.

The Sennheiser MKE 300 (which is good, but not great) takes away some bottom. So what you hear has been through Noise Reduction 2 or 3 times, has had a little compression in the deep end (multi-band dynamics) to enhance the organ, fake stereo (Sound Forge) plus a great deal of the Sony reverb - the one that comes with Vegas.
I know people look down on that reverb (a lot of people will knock software reverbs altogether), but when you start with a good reverb as in a real cathedral, it's easier to get a good result in the end. Starting clean would reveal more of the Sony reverb's shortcomings.

I'm glad you liked it. The video is finished, but if I decide to put this extract on a web page or something, I'll go over the clips and the timings again.
Tor
apit34356 wrote on 9/11/2004, 2:41 AM
Well, I thought the music was great, post a song or two with some video if you can. You did some great audio work from what I heard.