Annoying program features

BillyBoy wrote on 3/18/2003, 6:44 PM
Am I the only find that finds the following HIGHLY annoying? These are for sure rough edges that in part prevent DVDA from being all it could be.

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Drag a video to a menu. Change font name and size to what you wish. So far so good. Start to type a description. If more than a few words long DVDA with override your selection and change the text to "auto" making it smaller, very small if you have a lot of thumbnails. If you start with the default auto setting the text can be so small you can handly read it, then you have to resize once you're done. Worse, if you drag the handles of the text box to size it this alters kerning meaning each thumbnail can end up a little different. Result: UNPROFESSIONAL if you don't catch it and a lot of unnecessary work fixing it if you do.

Scene Selection Menu Automation:

Overall a nice feature. But the more chapter points you have the smaller the thumbnails get. So you have the following time consuming problem. Assume you have three videos in your DVD project. The first has 4 chapter points, the second has 7 and the third has 12. When you add a scene selection menu to to first the thumbnials and resulting text are fairly large and a size that's acceptable. You make some minor adjustments to size them, and you move on. You add a scene detection menu to the second video. Since it has 7 thumnails it makes the resulting thumnails much smaller. Not good. Ditto for the third video which makes them smaller still.

Your problem is you likely will want to make either the first sub menu thumnails samller or the other two larger so they are are the same size. This is a royal pain and wastes a great deal of time. Just two projects in with DVDA and already this is bugging me big time.

While you can control how many thumnails appear on a sub menu page you should also be able to control the size of the thumnail by PROJECT, otherwise you end up doing lots of grunt work which takes lots of extra time.

Preview plays in seperate window hogging entire screen:
You got to be scratching your head why this is. We're spoiled with Vegas' nice preview window and the timeline displaying on screen at the same time.

When you are trying to get an idea of WHERE in the video you want to add chapter points, why DVDA insists on remvoing the timeline and showing the video playing on a seperate screen I have no idea. I cursed this "feature" so many times already I lost count.

There should be a choice to play seperately or just have the remote float and it wouldn't hurt to have a indicator move on the timeline, like it does in Vegas.

This "feature" again is a BIG time waster. You constantly click back and forth between editing mode and preview mode when you're trying to add chapter points. While you can make a rough guess or nudge using the arrow keys or drag on the timeline you should have much finer control of playback like you do in Vegas. The preview with the remote to the right is fine once you have your project all put together to see how it looks before burning but to edit this way is a nighmare.

Comments

SHTUNOT wrote on 3/18/2003, 11:42 PM
All of this sounds great but...Did you go to the suggestion page and send it to them as well? I'd be doing that "daily" so that in the next revision they have no excuse.

Ed.

wobblyboy wrote on 3/22/2003, 12:53 AM
BillyBoy,

What I find highly annoying is your constant bitching amd moaning. If you have suggestions that you think would improve this system make them respectfully. Remember if the guys at Sonic Foundry weren't around we would not have Vegas. DVD Architect is clearly comparable to DVD Workshop, DVdit, etc. and will improve with up coming versions. By the way, you can select the number of chapter links per page which will line them up evenly and make them all the same size.
pb wrote on 3/22/2003, 9:32 AM
BillyBoy wrote on 3/22/2003, 9:50 AM
Obviously a couple dopes don't know the difference between "whining" and pointing out an application's shortcomings. Some free advice for such dummies: Just skip my posts or anyone else's posts that may at times say something critical. Clearly you can't handle the truth. I've been a SoFo SUPPORTER long before either of you showed up, which you would have known if you would had enough sense to check before YOU started your whining. Obviously you don't have that much sense.
pb wrote on 3/22/2003, 10:38 AM
rextilleon wrote on 3/22/2003, 12:37 PM
Billyboy is among the most involved and talented people in this forum---He points out the problems with DVD Architect---I agree with him---You guys sound like cult members who are afraid to make constructive criticisms of a product that has a long way to go.

The programmers and developers at Sonic are not perfect---geeze----some of their products are fantastic, some not so. In my mind, DVD Architect is at best an average product that needs lots of work---
BillyBoy wrote on 3/22/2003, 2:24 PM
Thanks, I try to help. True, sometimes I go a little off the deep end. If you think I'm critical, check out a certain Joey in the Audio forum that has been whining about the same thing for going on a year or better, wanting and not getting a free upgrade. :-)

Besides it is BECAUSE I care that I'm critical. I can afford to buy any video editing application. And have bought a bunch of them. Many times I've tried something, didn't like it, and just dumped in. Because I know SoFo does make some exceptional software, I stick with them. Being critical means they try harder next time. If you're a Pollyanna and accept pretty good is good enough, then pretty good is as good as it gets. Many software developers have gone that route and aren't in business anymore.

Maybe the main reason I'm critical is because I do programming myself and I've been a beta tester for IBM, Adobe and Microsoft. If you think I was hard on DVD-A, you'd be shocked how hard I was on IBM for its early release of voice recognition software and on Microsoft's early versions of FrontPage, their web authoring software. A lot of the features in both those application were the result of some beta testers BEING CRITICAL telling them the truth... sorry your application as it is now stinks.

Some truly clueless people think these forums are basically a fan club for SoFo. Sorry, that isn't what they're for. They are suppose to be a peer to peer forum where END USERS help each other, share ideas, tips and yes, sometimes are critical of the application the forum is about. That's expected, and something SoFo understands, which is why you don't see THEM complaining about "complaints".

Anyone that knows me, knows I'm one of the biggest SoFo supporters and have heaped endless praise on them in other forums. This time I've been critical for reasons I already explained and don't need to dredge up again.

The success of any software application ultimately comes down to those that use it heavily reporting things that either don't work as advertised or are difficult to use. True, DVD-A in its current form does most of the basic things you'd expect ANY DVD Authoring package to do, but it does have some pretty rough edges. That's the point. Why should I or others pay $200.00 when a $50 product does basically the same thing?

SoFo is responsive to their customers. That's good. That's one of their strengths. That means future versions of DVD-A will be better. Those that think they should be cut some slack because its version one, are only kidding themselves. It is because I and many others in the past have suggested improvement and new features that Vegas has become what it is today. I hope the same for DVD-A. But right now, it needs work. If you don't think so, or don't care or have never pushed the application to its limits, then I got to wonder who are you to be critical of those of us that have and find it wanting?
rextilleon wrote on 3/22/2003, 10:00 PM
Good points---I think that expectations were so high because of Vegas that people are rightfully disappointed---Thats not to say that the guys over at Sonic don't listen and wont evolve the product so that it is worth 500 bucks.
nolonemo wrote on 4/28/2003, 1:00 PM
Billyboy, did you ever find a workaround to the varying thumbnail and text size problem? I'm running into the same problem, and frankly, to size things to the way I want, and have all menu pages have the same appearance in DVDA looks like it will take more time than the time to hunt down the chapter times and insert chapter points manually in DVD Workshop like I used to do (with DVD WS, of course, I don't have to worry about resizing thumbnails or text), thereby defeating my main reason for switching - auto chapter creating from Vegas timeline.

Thanks
Steve672 wrote on 4/28/2003, 2:15 PM
Billyboy, it's reassuring to know that others are grappling with the same problem as you are. My sentiments exactly, at least I know that I am using the software "appropriately" and not missing something. Every so often someone WILL come up with a solution that was missed.

Don't let the bastards get to you. (There is a Latin version of this that sounds better but I can't remember it.)
gold wrote on 4/28/2003, 3:00 PM
Illegitimus Non Corobundim Est

'r sum't'in' like 'at
actually ... grind you down
but I personally feel an ounce of honey ....
especially when dealing with nice folks who are only trying to help you

BillyBoy wrote on 4/28/2003, 3:35 PM
LOL! Nope, I haven't found a easy way to change the thumbnail size other than doing it by hand. Annoying, but at least it works. I can understand why it changes the size (so as you add more thumbnails so they all fit on the menu page) but it would be nice if there was some global way to set it and forget it. Ditto the the very annoying auto feature that constantly changes your type size to also make it fit.

Things sometimes sound better in Latin.

Bonum animum habere Puerulus, tirunculus. <wink>
nolonemo wrote on 4/28/2003, 6:35 PM
Call me wierd, but I want all my thumbnails on all menu pages to be the same size. Same goes for the text underneath them (if it's too long, it can break onto a second line). How &%$*! difficult a concept is that? Sheesh.