Any one using 32bit for Vegas 9? & why not 64bit?

will-3 wrote on 4/23/2010, 5:48 AM
I would appriceate your comments on 32bit vs 64bit.

1 - I'm sure there have been prior discussions on this topic but in todays world... with Windows 7 out and, I guess, working well... what are the issues now of 32bit vs 64 bit?

2 - I hear that even with XP mode in Win 7 Pro... some programs will not run properly... are there a lot of thes applications ? any specefic programs that are of concern?

3 - I know that 64 bit will allow more RAM... does Vegas 9 really take advantage of this? What are the improvements in render time?

4 - Does more ram help with previewing while you are editing?

5 - Are there other advantages to 64 bit other than faster rendering times... and possible better previewing while editing?

6 - Would it be better to have two 32 bit machines... one to edit on... the other to render... this way both may be more "general" purpose when not editing and/or rendering?

7 - What do you 32 bit users have to say about all this?

8 - Ditto for 64 bit users.

9 - Finally - how much Ram are you 64 bit folks using?

Thanks for your comments.

Comments

bsuratt wrote on 4/23/2010, 8:21 AM
I have both installed on Win 7 and edit mostly HDV. I see little difference between 32 and 64 bit as far as performance goes. Need 32 bit for some plug-ins which are not 64 bit compatible as yet.
4GB RAM

For production work I still mainly use 9c 32 bit on Vista.
subchaz wrote on 4/23/2010, 1:18 PM
Hi i have both 64bit and 32bit but ive got to say i do more of my day to day stuff on the 32bit system and thats still running xp sp3 this is mainly down to other software which i use and varous plug ins,as already said on here i dont really notice to much of a difference going from 32 to 64 apart from the rendering times speed bumped up a little on 64,64 systems will have limits until all software houses start making apps for them,at the end of the day its what works weather it be 32bit or 64bit
will-3 wrote on 4/23/2010, 2:32 PM
So both of you have two PC's with Vegas installed... one 32 bit machine and one 64bit machine... right?

I'm asking as I'm about to buy a new PC... and based on your remarks I see no big reason to go with 64bit... in fact it may still be a negative since some plug-in's and maybe some programs still will not run properly on 64 bit.

Are both of you running quad core i7's? If not what... and how much ram. Does XP and/or Vegas take advantage of a quad core?

Thanks for the help.
Harold Brown wrote on 4/23/2010, 2:57 PM
You are making a mistake if you don't go with 64bit and at least 8meg of memory. I would think almost everyone running Vegas Pro that has 64bit operating system has both 32bit and 64bit Vegas Pro installed.
bsuratt wrote on 4/23/2010, 10:22 PM
Same machine... dual boot with both 32 and 64bit Vegas on the Win 7 64 bit partition.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 4/23/2010, 10:34 PM
Both, in 64bit windows
32bit, for support of certain codecs and plug-ins that aren't in 64bit yet.

Dave
ushere wrote on 4/23/2010, 10:48 PM
as above post.....
will-3 wrote on 4/24/2010, 5:47 AM
So how do you install and run 32 bit Vegas and 64 bit Vegas on the same64bit PC ?

1 - Do you install two versions of Win 7 and dual boot or what?

2 - I'm just about to convert to Win 7 Pro from XP Pro... will the Win 7 Pro install disk allow you to choose 32bit or 64 bit?

3 - I guess this would mean you have seperate 32 bit formatted and 64 bit formatted hard disk... or partitons? Right?

4 - Can either reach your video source files? Can both render to the same place? Or do you end up with two sets of video files for a project... a 32 bit set and a 64 bit set?


thanks for the help.

MacVista wrote on 4/24/2010, 6:55 AM
First run the Windows 7 upgrade advisor to see if your computer can run the 64bit version of Win7.

There is no upgrade path from XP to Windows 7 but I found a piece of software called Laplink PCmover Upgrade assistant (http://www.laplink.com/pcmover/pcmoverupgradeassistant.html)
which copies all your settings and software installs from XP and then after you install Win7 you can restore everything. Worked like a charm for me. YMMV.

So, run PCmover, install Win7, run PCmover again to restore previous XP setup and then install the 32bit and 64bit versions of Vegas.

The disks are still formatted NTFS and can be accessed by both versions of Vegas. The 64bit version will have access to more RAM and so will give improved performance but there are still some plug-ins that are only available as 32bit.

I would recommend at least 8gb of RAM, more if your wallet and motherboard can support it. :-)

Hope this helps
Byron K wrote on 4/24/2010, 10:37 AM
Reply by: Will_3, Date: 4/24/2010 2:47:39 AM
So how do you install and run 32 bit Vegas and 64 bit Vegas on the same64bit PC ?

1 - Do you install two versions of Win 7 and dual boot or what?
No need to install 2 versions of Windows 7. Vegas 32 bit will run fine on a 64 bit Windows 7 system. Windows 7 should auto detect the 32 bit Vegas 9 and place the files in the \Program Files (x86) folder. 64 bit apps go in the \Program Files folder.

2 - I'm just about to convert to Win 7 Pro from XP Pro... will the Win 7 Pro install disk allow you to choose 32bit or 64 bit?
This depends. I purchased the Windows 7 OEM 64 bit only. My Windows 7 Consumer "Upgrade" pack had 64 and 32 versions. Warning: Windows 7 upgrade will not install on a blank harddrive. It MUST see the old version of XP or Vista on the Harddrive or it won't install.


3 - I guess this would mean you have seperate 32 bit formatted and 64 bit formatted hard disk... or partitons? Right?
No, Vegas 32 bit runs fine in Windows 7 64 bit

4 - Can either reach your video source files? Can both render to the same place? Or do you end up with two sets of video files for a project... a 32 bit set and a 64 bit set?
So far I haven't seen any issues w/ 32 and 64 bit file compatibility but I just use 32 bit Vegas 9 for the plug-ins that don't work in the 64 bit version. YMMV depending on what you're doing in each version.
Harold Brown wrote on 4/24/2010, 10:44 AM
64bit is about the OS software and applications. It doesn't have anything to do with files, pictures, videos or the like stored on a hard drive. Hard drives aren't 32bit or 64bit. Since Vegas 32 and Vegas 64 both write out a veg file with the same format they can be ready by either version of Vegas.
subchaz wrote on 4/24/2010, 12:23 PM
i use two machines one is 32bit xp which can only access 3.5 gig of ram of the 4 installed the other one is 64 bit with 12 gig installed both machines are i7 machines but both machines are linked so transfering files is not a problem between the two the 64 bit is running windows 7 which is a much better vista ever was,you could always dual boot the system and run both on one machine 32 and 64
will-3 wrote on 4/24/2010, 1:59 PM
ByronK,

In your reply to the question...

2 - I'm just about to convert to Win 7 Pro from XP Pro... will the Win 7 Pro install disk allow you to choose 32bit or 64 bit?

You said...

"This depends. I purchased the Windows 7 OEM 64 bit only. My Windows 7 Consumer "Upgrade" pack had 64 and 32 versions. Warning: Windows 7 upgrade will not install on a blank harddrive. It MUST see the old version of XP or Vista on the Harddrive or it won't install."

You mentioned the "Windows 7 OEM 64 bit only
and you mentioned
"My Windows 7 Consumer "Upgrade" pack had 64 and 32 versions"

So... were you actually referencing two different Win 7 versions and two different installations on two different computers... or did I mis-understand you?

I was going to order or buy a brand new machine with Win 7 Pro already installed on it... But are you telling me some Win 7 is _only_ 64 bit?

Sorry for the confustion.

Thanks everyone for the help.

Jøran Toresen wrote on 4/24/2010, 2:52 PM
Will_3, this is not complicated at all.

1) Install the 64 bit version of Windows 7 (Home, Pro or whatever) and not the 32 bit version on your PC.

2) Install Vegas Pro 9 64 bit AND Vegas Pro 9 32 bit on this PC.

PS You can run both 32 bit and 64 bit application in a 64 bit OS (Windows 7 64 bit).

Jøran Toresen
Geoff_Wood wrote on 4/24/2010, 3:40 PM
The only thing that would prevent you from W764 is if you have some applications that for some reason will not run on 64, or you have hardware that does not have 64-bit drivers.

geoff
LReavis wrote on 4/24/2010, 4:59 PM
"Warning: Windows 7 upgrade will not install on a blank harddrive. It MUST see the old version of XP or Vista on the Harddrive or it won't install."

That did not prove to be true for me. After doing a clean install from the Win7-64 upgrade, I installed a bunch of programs - then decided to activate the software. No go! After getting over the panic that all my installation work and tweaking might go down the drain, I read that I could simply install Win7-64 again, this time as an upgrade. After "upgrading" from Win7 to Win7, I activated Windows with no problem and all my programs still worked.

Lesson: Don't be afraid to buy the upgrade and use it to do a clean install. However, I'd recommend that you activate Win7 BEFORE spending a lot of time installing programs - just in case . . .
PeterDuke wrote on 4/24/2010, 7:52 PM
One issue that I discovered is that if you have both 32 and 64 bit versions of Vegas 9 installed, the last installed version becomes the default when opening by double clicking on the project name. You can't even override it by doing a right-click to select the other version. I installed 64 bit first but two others installed 32 bit first and found the same problem.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=705119

Therefore you need to open the non-default vegas version first and open your project from there, if that is what you want.
Byron K wrote on 4/25/2010, 11:43 AM
Reply by: Will_3, Date: 4/24/2010 10:59:55 AM
2 - I'm just about to convert to Win 7 Pro from XP Pro... will the Win 7 Pro install disk allow you to choose 32bit or 64 bit?My upgrade came with two discs.

You mentioned the "Windows 7 OEM 64 bit only
and you mentioned
"My Windows 7 Consumer "Upgrade" pack had 64 and 32 versions"

So... were you actually referencing two different Win 7 versions and two different installations on two different computers... or did I mis-understand you?

I was going to order or buy a brand new machine with Win 7 Pro already installed on it... But are you telling me some Win 7 is _only_ 64 bit?
Sorry for the confustion.My apologies, I should have been a little more clear. I have a copy of Windows 7 upgrade which includes separate 32 bit disc and 64 bit disc. I also purchased a 64 bit OEM version because of the issues I was having with the upgrade. I've installed many, many, many versions of Windows from the DOS days of Windows 3.0, 3.11, NT3.5, 4,0, XP and now Windows 7 and Windows 7 upgrade was the most painful for my new i7 machine so I just bit the bullet and bought the full OEM 64 bit version. I'm glad to hear that LReavis was able to install it w/out any problems, maybe Microsoft changed the install process.