Rextilleon Thanks But I don't have AE and dont want to spend that amount of money Or have to learn how to use AE(can you use the standard version of AE OR do you have to have the Pro version) to run Magic Bullet (Just Curious)

What I really want is to be able to run Magic Bullet In vegas Direct And if not are there any plans for this to happen. And if not could we persuade some kind programmer to help I would definately cough up the readies for this one.

I would have thought Sony would be on to this too making an upgrade or Liasing with Magic Bullet to promote the film look in vegas.

Or even design a set of Plugins to match Magic Bullet.

I thought Magic Bullet was made to help people without big studio resources Then surely Sony can cut a deal if it really is the consumers interest at heart

This is quite a handicap and a good reason for editors to buy "Adobe"

(MyOpinion)

Judging from the Magic Bullet website, the workflow for Premiere (and other NLE) users is identical to what rextilleon described above, so the plugin is simply a reason to buy AfterEffects--not necessarily all Adobe stuff.

Still, it couldn't hurt to express your wishes directly to Red Giant Software. If Vegas offers the "hooks" they need, and enough people express interest in the product, they might be persuaded to develop a Vegas version...

If Magic Bullet is an AE plugin it may work via the Boris RED Vegas plugin as it supports the AE plugin architecture or I think a great guy called Satish is developing a plugin that may allow AE plugins to be used from the Vegas timeline.

Satish site is www.debugmode.com, you can check his forums for the latest update.

PAW

This is a great thread as I have the same interest...I am not for sure what can be done with the tools Vegas already affords us.. Im new to Vegas (4 months or so).. Im learning alot thorough this forum and others as well as DSE's books and DVD's. I have a great desire for this type of software or plugin or the tools at hand..I have been reading about Magic Bullet and trying to justify in my mind an additional expenditure.

Im going broke with all this high tech BS. So my question is how can we get a film look with the tools afforded to us in Vegas? If the results are somewhat unsatisfactory then i would hope that SO FO SO would be readying this type of software technology integrated into my Vegas apllication with the next upgrade. Please help, anyone experienced or on top of this angle???? Thanks

Thanks Guys.

PAW what Your saying would be really good news if Satish could develop a way, perhaps Sony could back him then market it.

Im sure that development of things like this you have to be aware of legal issues in order to sell these kind of programs. Sony could cover this side for him

Its about time Satish made some Money with all the good things he has done for vegas. Im only guessing here. But speaking personally If I had known that adobe had so much flexibility and sonic Foundry cannot even get simple things like this afloat then maybe I should have thought more carefully.

Hint Hint Trying to provoke a response know it wont happen though >wink

The cost of buying AE is about £600 as is the cost of Magic Bullet This is One THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED ££££

I could buy Four vegas four's For that
Cmon I need a real world solution.

Any takers!!

Yeah its a lot a money,, but you say you want pro stuff-- gotta spend pro bucks,
see what happens to our expectations when we buy Vegas so cheap !!!

Risque - MY expectations I think not Firstly I went through the upgrade process with sofo. First video factory, then vegas 3, then vegas 4, and now vegas 4+DVD. I have just purchased sound forge 7 and acid and a keyboard all in all I have spent about £6000 this year so far ON my film hobby. And my Girlfriend is getting annoyed. Im sorry if I sound a cheapskate not prepared to dip into my bottomless pockets but I COULD BUY a second hand 8mm camera right now for a lot less than Magic bullet.but even so I am still prepared to pay for it its just that buying AE just to be able to use magic Bullet is a little extravagant.

I know I'll just forget the whole thing Im obviously wanting toooo much

My low price estimate for vegas is based on Knowing it can be bought cheap and that sony are now offering it with a DVD Recorder.

Anyway Im not after being judged I was hoping for help not some off topic useless character assasination.

even IF a plug in is made to allow AE plug-ins to work in vegas -- i'm not sure Magic Bullet would work -- it doesnt in other programs that accept AE plug-ins (like fusion)

What features is it in Magic Bullet that you want to use? Is it just converting to 24p or 25p?
I just bought DVFilmmaker for $95 and it does a good job of deinterlacing footage. I'm curious about changing the frame rate in properties to 24p then using DVFilmmaker to remove any remaining interlaced edges.
Does anyone have experience doing this?

Film look - err...um...did you do a search? Lots of like posts in the past but in a nutshell from myself -

Magic Bullt does a lot more than DVFilm maker does. You need After Effects, you do not need AE Pro - the standard edition will work fine. Magic Bullet is a render hog however. Until recently I loved BigFX FilmFX, it rendered faster and was easier to use than Cinelook - however Digital Film Tools 'Digital Film Lab' recently came out and I am impressed and love it a great deal. Magic Bullet has a nice sort of pre-render and post-render that does add very nice blacks...but it is still a render hog. (If all you are doing is 30i > 24p or color correction for 'film look' than this probably is not an issue) Also there is a SD and a HD version so there is a price differance in versions. None of these 'film look' plugs are available for VV, however there was somewhat of an informal post on DMN and here that BigFX FilmFX was being re-tooled for VV and would be out in August - well it is October now and no further word.

My personal workflow -

I do all my 30i > 24p now with VV.
If you tweak the settings for Glow and the Color Curves you can get nice results in VV. I do not use any 'grain" however if you are trying to match film for intercutting you may need to add some.
I can use the Satish frame server plug to serve out of VV, or Premiere, to After Effects to use any filters there. Last film look color correction I did was frameserving to AE using the Digital Film Lab plug-in. I used VV for the 24p conversion and audio mix. I also cut a promo with VV from start to finish using VV including color correction. Takes a bit more tweaking because there really are not "film presets" in VV. (And I am not talking about what I would call the "film damage" presets VV has)

As I say do a search for 'film look' and you will find more info. You can also look for 'magic bullet' and either "filmFx' or BigFx FilmFx' and you will find more info.

Thanks Everyone !!!!

Some really Great ANswers Filmy It looks like at the present I will have to buy AE To use Magic Bullet aah Welll.. At least I only need the standard version thanks to everyone who contributed Im sure a lot of people will find this thread usefull....

ME

Im going to wait and see if anything comes along in the shortterm...

to save some money -- you could buy AE 5.5 instead .. its only 400$ -500$ new and less on ebay i think ..

ive seen it on amazon for 488$ US full version new ...

I have used AE for over 2 years now. Yes it is deep & complicated but well worth the pain of learning. There are many great books & websites devoted to training for AE. Bite the bullet and do it. I just upgraded to AE 6.0 by buying the new video bundle from Adobe. I really wanted Encore as DVD Arch does not at all handle my DVD Needs. I might even look at Premier Pro since it was basically free. But I will still probably use VV more than PP.