Apple ProRes Quicktime 4K clips

rosebud40 wrote on 3/29/2015, 11:15 AM

I downloaded a bunch of Rampant Apple ProRes Quicktime 4K clips and got them to load and work in Fusion, Resolve, HitFilm and NewTek Speed Edit. They would not, however, properly load into Sony Vegas 13. When I did get them to load, Vegas prevented me from placing them on the timeline. Are there any settings or ways to get these clips to work in Vegas?

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 3/29/2015, 1:51 PM

No settings. Vegas Pro 13 is not well equiped for UHD/4K ProRes. With my Shogun UHD-ProRes files I have seen following: 1) I can import the footage - but with more then 20-25 files in the timeline Vegas crashes (in the Windows world, with QT installed to be able to decode ProRes). 2) Vegas is not able to decode the files as 10bit but as 8bit only. The solution for both was to transcode the files to Cineform, using TMPGenc as batch converter and installing the free version of GoProStudio for the codec. Since Cineform was implemented native in Vegas, the Cineform files have a great playback behavour and are decoded as 10bit in a 32bit floating point project.

NormanPCN wrote on 3/29/2015, 4:00 PM

I have downloaded some Blackmagic 4K Prores MOV clips and Vegas handles them just fine.



ID                                       : 2

Format                                   : ProRes

Format version                           : Version 0

Format profile                           : High

Codec ID                                 : apch

Duration                                 : 6s 915ms

Source duration                          : 6s 958ms

Bit rate mode                            : Constant

Bit rate                                 : 707 Mbps

Width                                    : 3 840 pixels

Height                                   : 2 160 pixels

Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9

Frame rate mode                          : Constant

Frame rate                               : 24.000 fps

Color space                              : YUV

Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2

Scan type                                : Progressive

rosebud40 wrote on 3/29/2015, 6:38 PM

I was able to transcode the clips, but I was hoping there was some way to avoid transcoding. NormanPCN do you have a link to the Blackmagic 4K Prores MOV clips you mentioned? I'd like to try those clips. Thanks.

NormanPCN wrote on 3/29/2015, 7:37 PM

This is a 10GB download. It is more than one example clip, thus the size.

http://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16615

HyperMedia wrote on 3/30/2015, 2:36 AM

Can you please send me a small clip to jtdigitalvideo@aol.com. I have a iMac running Bootcamp on windows. I can test it out for you.

Or send me the link to download.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 3/30/2015, 3:16 AM

"I have downloaded some Blackmagic 4K Prores MOV clips and Vegas handles them just fine."

But have you tried to put 25 independent UHD-ProRes files in the Vegas timeline?

We have the confirmation from SCS that Shogun ProRes but also Q7 ProRes generates these crashes. I have not tested BM UHD/4K ProRes files - but with the Shogun Files and Q7 files it crashes for sure.

Links to some Shogun files:
http://www.video-cut.com/docs/SLT.zip (LT file)

http://www.video-cut.com/docs/SHQ.zip (LT file)

http://www.video-cut.com/docs/SHQN.zip (really a HQ file)

redpaw wrote on 3/30/2015, 4:47 AM

+1 Wolfgang

had that problem since day 1. more then 25 4K files or 120-130 HD mov files from BM4K.
crashes every time.
going back and forth with the support for the last 6 months at this stage...
also checked all the versions back to the vegas 8.. and it crashes in all of them... so not very optimistic about the future ;/

Wolfgang S. wrote on 3/30/2015, 6:20 AM

Yes it is terrible.

As said: The workaround solution was to transcode the files to Cineform, using TMPGenc as batch converter and installing the free version of GoProStudio for the codec.

Since Cineform was implemented native in Vegas, the Cineform files have a great playback behavour and are decoded as 10bit in a 32bit floating point project.

And: 10bit ProRes or 10bit DNxHR will be decoded in Vegas as 8bit only, even in a 32bit floating point project. Also here the transcoding to Cineform helps.

NormanPCN wrote on 3/30/2015, 12:29 PM

But have you tried to put 25 independent UHD-ProRes files in the Vegas timeline?

Vegas has a well known issue with having a limit on the number of Quicktime files that can be open at once. Vegas keeps all media files open at all times.

I have tested HD clips in Prores and DNxHD and Vegas barfs at around 50. It would not surprise me if the 4K/UHD file limit were smaller as you have stated.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 3/30/2015, 1:27 PM

It is well-known that Vegas has all files open in a project.

But unfortunately Vegas is not very usefull if one wants to use 10bit ProRes UHD files from a Shogun or Q7. Beside the crash of Vegas with a relativ small number of clips the biger pitfall is that Vegas will not decode that footage as 10bit. That seems to be very new findings that have not been published before.

Marco. wrote on 3/30/2015, 1:33 PM

At least the 10 bit issue is logged by SCS meanwhile.

rosebud40 wrote on 3/30/2015, 3:20 PM

Hypermedia, here is a link to the free 4K effects I downloaded from Rampant but couldn't load into Vegas..... http://rampantdesigntools.com/free-download-sign/. NormanPCN - thanks for the link. I downloaded the clips from BlackMagic and they worked fine in Vegas. I was able to load them into HitFilm3 Pro, but when they were placed on its timeline, their size was smaller than 1/4 of the screen. Any other clips I've used display full screen. I sometimes use NewTek's Speed Edit software if I want to edit something very quickly. Interstingly enough the clips from Rampant and BlackMagic all loaded and played perfectly without a glitch even with Speed Edit's 2K limitation. If I set Vegas up for 2K, the Rampant clips played terribly. I haven't tried multiple layers in Vegas yet.