Aaron:

I agree with you. Vegas Video (or audio, or whatever it's called) is
NOT designed to work in a real professional environment. No matter how
you squeeze it, the limitations are too severe to allow for the
software to do what it promises: multitrack recording and mixing.
Besides the ones you mention, here's the biggest problem for anyone
that has done studio work: no punch in/out on the fly. Bruce Swanson,
Irvin Gomez and myself mentioned it, but only got insults in return.

I think that at the root of all problems is the fact that SonicFoundry
knows that its customer base is mostly people doing radio spots, or
video or semi-professional audio work, and they (the users)don't have
the needs (or the experience to RECOGNIZE their needs!) for features
that hardcore (read "pro") users like you take for granted.
Vegas is just NOT "professional" multitracking software; and since
SonicFoundry doesn't deal with this issue in a responsible manner, the
time may have come to study your options...


Victor.


Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>> My application for Vegas Video is mixing audio in a
>>proffessional recording studio.
>>I don't want to be a NAG but, tow things absolutely
>>positively have to be fixed in order for me to use this
>>product as advertised, in a timely manner, without my
>>customers having to sit thru me going thru unnecessary
>>extra steps....were all on the clock here so PLEASE:
>>
>>One: get "open copy in sound forge to work", it can take
>>hours of backups, realignments etc to make up for this
>>small BUG...
>>
>>Two: using fx across a multiple I/O system is worthless in
>>Vegas' implementation...I may as well use cool edit pro, if
>>I cant use dx fx in vegas...The problem is panning a track
>>to FORCE it out the correct output causes the effect input
>>to read only one side, resulting in a reverb panned hard
>>also to one side...WORTHLESS
>>
>>I have three suggestions for fixes:
>>
>>1)treat the outputs in the same way you do the
>>inputs....you know a right click to pick between stereo,
>>left or right
>>
>>2) this HAS to be easy, and Ive asked enough times: make a
>>mono-to-stereo direct-x plug in to be put at the beginning
>>of the loop, in fact with a couple other controls on it,
>>such as a pan, this could be useful for other utility
>>functions
>>
>>3) put an independant pan control on the fx sends or a pre-
>>or post pan switch
>>
>>just please do SOMETHING
>>this sucks as it is
>>
>>Aaron Carey
>>Pipelineaudio
>>Phoenix,AZ
>>(602)275-8842

Agreed. It should say "semi-pro" audio and mixing. It is possible to
get great results and it is simple to use, but if you want
professional, save your money for a pro tools TDM system, bottom line.

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>> My application for Vegas Video is mixing audio in a
>>proffessional recording studio.
>>I don't want to be a NAG but, tow things absolutely
>>positively have to be fixed in order for me to use this
>>product as advertised, in a timely manner, without my
>>customers having to sit thru me going thru unnecessary
>>extra steps....were all on the clock here so PLEASE:
>>
>>One: get "open copy in sound forge to work", it can take
>>hours of backups, realignments etc to make up for this
>>small BUG...
>>
>>Two: using fx across a multiple I/O system is worthless in
>>Vegas' implementation...I may as well use cool edit pro, if
>>I cant use dx fx in vegas...The problem is panning a track
>>to FORCE it out the correct output causes the effect input
>>to read only one side, resulting in a reverb panned hard
>>also to one side...WORTHLESS
>>
>>I have three suggestions for fixes:
>>
>>1)treat the outputs in the same way you do the
>>inputs....you know a right click to pick between stereo,
>>left or right
>>
>>2) this HAS to be easy, and Ive asked enough times: make a
>>mono-to-stereo direct-x plug in to be put at the beginning
>>of the loop, in fact with a couple other controls on it,
>>such as a pan, this could be useful for other utility
>>functions
>>
>>3) put an independant pan control on the fx sends or a pre-
>>or post pan switch
>>
>>just please do SOMETHING
>>this sucks as it is
>>
>>Aaron Carey
>>Pipelineaudio
>>Phoenix,AZ
>>(602)275-8842

David W. Ruby wrote:
>>Aaron hello,
>>How are you using fx across a multiple system?
>>I am trying to rproduce this problem and have not found it yet.
>>I am getting ;say reverb stereo while I pan a track left or
>>right.This must not be the prob eh?

here's how it happens to me:
lets say kick drum is on track one, snare on two...blah blah more
drums...bass di on 12, bass amp on 13, somewhere, I get to the
vocals, lets say main vocals are track 20...
now, to send my kickdrum out discretely, and to track one of a DA-88,
I click the bus button on that particular track, then scroll down to
soundscape mixtreme(or insert any sound card here) outputs 1-2
one AND two???? ugh!!!ok ok, so go to the pan control and pan the
kick full left....which brings up the "do NOT molest the signal if
you dont have to" rule, but thats another story for another day...now
I swallow my integrity and turn the volume down 6 dB.... dont get me
started on that... :)
now hmmm...that accoustic mirror sfi I got from beamsonic sure would
be NEATO on this kick(yeah right my 450 mHz PIII with UDMA hard
drives is gonna run 48 tracks AND accoustic mirror) ok I lied, gee
sonic timeworks 4080 L would be perfect for this kick...so, I go down
to the mixer window, the one with the vertical meters...I think its
called the mixer window
I right click on there and choose "insert assignable fx" or whatever
it is...I pick my 4080L...so far, so good...SO WHAT?
Now back in the track view, I click on my kick track, right click the
pan control and choose fx send 1 and turn it to zero
now I look at the 4080 l input...OH NO! its only on the left side!
then I look at the output...CRAPOLLA! its also only on the left
side...so it goes
I have a couple tricks to help with this but NONE are
acceptable...one is to take a dx delay set it to zero and set the
cross feedback to 100%...ok NO THANKS
another is to use the "duplicate track " command and assign it to
an "unused" output, pan it to the middle and then send to the fx from
that channel...now, I dont have quad Xeon processors running at 1500
Mhz, and I suspect that even if I did, if I doubled my track count
doing this, my system wouldnt run so well...also after paying up the
xian xiang for soundcards, does anyone have SPARE stereo outputs to
assign this too? I know I am always wanting MORE outs, not trying to
give up any!


>>I still think the pan bug is really one as well that needs
attention.
>>I spend more time readjusting volumes.Also the-3db after recording
>>tracks is still another for me!And the meters redlining with no
>>clipping.Soft clipping is that what this is?Hmmmmm....

Pele and Kono forbid! If there is ANYTHING going on to my signal, I
want to know about it!!!soft clipping? eeeekkk..as an option that
would be cool...I hope to hear from SF what this could be!

>>I agree,I do get alittle nervous when clients are ready to get to
it
>>Yes we are all on the clock.

amazing how my billable hours have SHRUNK since I started using vegas!
but then again, my mixes sound WAY WAY WAY better for it...a faustian
bargain to be sure, BUT
I am SURE, I am eternally hopeful, that someday, soon, Vegas will be
this audio engineers dream product...it certainly has the potential!

Victor Harriman wrote:
>>Aaron:
>>
>>I agree with you. Vegas Video (or audio, or whatever it's called)
is
>>NOT designed to work in a real professional environment. No matter
how
>>you squeeze it, the limitations are too severe to allow for the
>>software to do what it promises: multitrack recording and mixing.
>>Besides the ones you mention, here's the biggest problem for anyone
>>that has done studio work: no punch in/out on the fly. Bruce

Forget recording on it...every once in a while, I look at the signal
path of the studio, and the "flip" switch on the console and
think...hmmmm, now If I route the outputs of vegas to mix b and the
inputs to mix a then record monitoring mix a...so far so good....now
to punch, I monitor mix b, then when the punch hits I nail the record
button, hit the flip switch, then hit the analog/digital source
select on my AD/DA converters...oh yeah RIGHT
FORGET IT!!!
Recording on Vegas???? no thanks...but mixing...ahhh thats another
story

>>I think that at the root of all problems is the fact that
SonicFoundry
>>knows that its customer base is mostly people doing radio spots, or
>>video or semi-professional audio work, and they (the users)don't
have
>>the needs (or the experience to RECOGNIZE their needs!) for
features
>>that hardcore (read "pro") users like you take for granted.

I think you are right...in fact I think you are even more right than
when foghorn legghorn says" of course you know, this means WAR"
more right even
You know I did ONE radio spot with this sucker, bypassing my tape
machines thinking I could record right in!
OOOPSSSS!!!!
again the ugly ugly issues of monitoring came in and reared their
latent, windows shapen heads...FORGET IT
it could be that its market you know? who cares what me and you want,
when 99% of their users will be just fine recording their Hondo strat
copy/ transistor Crate amp symphony straight from their mackie mixer
into vegas?

then again, Brent Averill and Stephen Paul, Rupert Neve and George
Augsperger, seem to do just fine selling their services to the one
percent that me and you belong to.

Vegas can be our program too, with a little bit of two way
communication between sonic foundry and that one percent...hell, I
think it could even HELP sales of vegas....obsessively ANAL users
could endorse it without blushing....hey I see a Roger Nichols add
coming on!!! Id love to see Vegas catering to the needs of the sadly
deceased REP magazine and Studio Sound magazine(even SS is getting a
bit lax lately in my humble opinion) and quit concentrating on the EQ
readership so much...

AND WHERE THE HELL IS 24 bit SOUND FORGE??????????



>>Vegas is just NOT "professional" multitracking software; and since
>>SonicFoundry doesn't deal with this issue in a responsible manner,
the
>>time may have come to study your options...


I cant stomach dealing with Steinberg....you think sonic foundry is
unresponsive? WHOA!!!!!'

Tonite while the power was out during a lightening storm, I pulled
out my old Logic Audio Platinum 4.0 manual to read by
candlelight...what a joke...it would take 8 hours to do in LAP what I
can do in one with Vegas...and the whole thing seems to be Logic
MIDI, with audio thrown in as an afterthought...What the HELL does
channel pressure have to do with an audio track???? no thank you

SAW? please no, limit city!

Cool Edit Pro? well, now THERE is a STABLE program, with a lot of
forward thinking, and right here in arizona to boot...so dealing with
them should be easy for me right? WRONG....maybe once they get the
sense to let you use DX fx in the mixer mode, itll be worth
considering...I LOVE the way CEP lets you know EVERYTHING that is
happening to your audio(hint, hint, please note Vegas developers)

Pro-Tools....now I have a Pro tools mix 24 system, and I can say that
the plugs you can get for pro tools BLOW THE LIVING "ex[pletive" out
of ANYTHING you can run on vegas...PERIOD! This may be somewhat
alleviated with some of the plugs I can get for my Mixtreme card's
DSP, but they are not all ported over yet(if ever), but the
wavemechanics reverb and the TC stuff looks promising enough, also
seeing apogee in there makes me very happy...
but then again, pro tools is VERY slow to me, if I want to do
something, to change something NOW, I have a much easier time with
vegas...
Also there is NOTHING more frustrating to be almost completely done
with a mix, only to need JUST ONE MORE track, and needing to go out
and get another 3500 dollar farm card to do it...
Now that PT is on NT, if they can just get their file Import/Export
functions in order, then maybe I could use it, and all the other apps
that I like for the PC...but if steinberg is unresponsive....oh man
digidesign could care less at all!

Samplitude looks promising...seems like Vegas developers took some
cues from the SAM24/96 mixer window...c'mon admit it! things still
seem quicker and easier in Vegas...and worse: when I called Sek'd to
see if SAM24/96 had sample accurate sync, NOONE in their tech support
department knew what the hell I was asking...UGH!!! Id love to see
software for the PC made by people who actually USE IT!

So who knows???
Sorry for the rant!

any software I left out?

Aaron:

Yes, you left the main one out: Nuendo.
Now in Version 1.01, with Apogee Dithering included, the software
delivers the goods. I would suggest you check a demo at your local
dealer. You'll like it. The damn thing is so good, the issue of
Steinberg's support is not relevant!!!

To all other of your points: amen.



Victor.



PS: Its just a matter of time before Sonic Foundry changes its policy
"We have been doing very well like this, so if you don't like it,
don't use it" to "Take advantage of our $99 StudioBundle that includes
Vegas Video, Soundforge and CD Architect". Competition has a way of
forcing arrogant, indifferent companies to do that...





Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>>
>>Victor Harriman wrote:
>>>>Aaron:
>>>>
>>>>I agree with you. Vegas Video (or audio, or whatever it's called)
>>is
>>>>NOT designed to work in a real professional environment. No matter
>>how
>>>>you squeeze it, the limitations are too severe to allow for the
>>>>software to do what it promises: multitrack recording and mixing.
>>>>Besides the ones you mention, here's the biggest problem for
anyone
>>>>that has done studio work: no punch in/out on the fly. Bruce
>>
>>Forget recording on it...every once in a while, I look at the signal
>>path of the studio, and the "flip" switch on the console and
>>think...hmmmm, now If I route the outputs of vegas to mix b and the
>>inputs to mix a then record monitoring mix a...so far so good....now
>>to punch, I monitor mix b, then when the punch hits I nail the
record
>>button, hit the flip switch, then hit the analog/digital source
>>select on my AD/DA converters...oh yeah RIGHT
>>FORGET IT!!!
>>Recording on Vegas???? no thanks...but mixing...ahhh thats another
>>story
>>
>>>>I think that at the root of all problems is the fact that
>>SonicFoundry
>>>>knows that its customer base is mostly people doing radio spots,
or
>>>>video or semi-professional audio work, and they (the users)don't
>>have
>>>>the needs (or the experience to RECOGNIZE their needs!) for
>>features
>>>>that hardcore (read "pro") users like you take for granted.
>>
>>I think you are right...in fact I think you are even more right than
>>when foghorn legghorn says" of course you know, this means WAR"
>>more right even
>>You know I did ONE radio spot with this sucker, bypassing my tape
>>machines thinking I could record right in!
>>OOOPSSSS!!!!
>>again the ugly ugly issues of monitoring came in and reared their
>>latent, windows shapen heads...FORGET IT
>>it could be that its market you know? who cares what me and you
want,
>>when 99% of their users will be just fine recording their Hondo
strat
>>copy/ transistor Crate amp symphony straight from their mackie mixer
>>into vegas?
>>
>>then again, Brent Averill and Stephen Paul, Rupert Neve and George
>>Augsperger, seem to do just fine selling their services to the one
>>percent that me and you belong to.
>>
>>Vegas can be our program too, with a little bit of two way
>>communication between sonic foundry and that one percent...hell, I
>>think it could even HELP sales of vegas....obsessively ANAL users
>>could endorse it without blushing....hey I see a Roger Nichols add
>>coming on!!! Id love to see Vegas catering to the needs of the sadly
>>deceased REP magazine and Studio Sound magazine(even SS is getting a
>>bit lax lately in my humble opinion) and quit concentrating on the
EQ
>>readership so much...
>>
>>AND WHERE THE HELL IS 24 bit SOUND FORGE??????????
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Vegas is just NOT "professional" multitracking software; and since
>>>>SonicFoundry doesn't deal with this issue in a responsible manner,
>>the
>>>>time may have come to study your options...
>>
>>
>>I cant stomach dealing with Steinberg....you think sonic foundry is
>>unresponsive? WHOA!!!!!'
>>
>>Tonite while the power was out during a lightening storm, I pulled
>>out my old Logic Audio Platinum 4.0 manual to read by
>>candlelight...what a joke...it would take 8 hours to do in LAP what
I
>>can do in one with Vegas...and the whole thing seems to be Logic
>>MIDI, with audio thrown in as an afterthought...What the HELL does
>>channel pressure have to do with an audio track???? no thank you
>>
>>SAW? please no, limit city!
>>
>>Cool Edit Pro? well, now THERE is a STABLE program, with a lot of
>>forward thinking, and right here in arizona to boot...so dealing
with
>>them should be easy for me right? WRONG....maybe once they get the
>>sense to let you use DX fx in the mixer mode, itll be worth
>>considering...I LOVE the way CEP lets you know EVERYTHING that is
>>happening to your audio(hint, hint, please note Vegas developers)
>>
>>Pro-Tools....now I have a Pro tools mix 24 system, and I can say
that
>>the plugs you can get for pro tools BLOW THE LIVING "ex[pletive" out
>>of ANYTHING you can run on vegas...PERIOD! This may be somewhat
>>alleviated with some of the plugs I can get for my Mixtreme card's
>>DSP, but they are not all ported over yet(if ever), but the
>>wavemechanics reverb and the TC stuff looks promising enough, also
>>seeing apogee in there makes me very happy...
>>but then again, pro tools is VERY slow to me, if I want to do
>>something, to change something NOW, I have a much easier time with
>>vegas...
>>Also there is NOTHING more frustrating to be almost completely done
>>with a mix, only to need JUST ONE MORE track, and needing to go out
>>and get another 3500 dollar farm card to do it...
>>Now that PT is on NT, if they can just get their file Import/Export
>>functions in order, then maybe I could use it, and all the other
apps
>>that I like for the PC...but if steinberg is unresponsive....oh man
>>digidesign could care less at all!
>>
>>Samplitude looks promising...seems like Vegas developers took some
>>cues from the SAM24/96 mixer window...c'mon admit it! things still
>>seem quicker and easier in Vegas...and worse: when I called Sek'd to
>>see if SAM24/96 had sample accurate sync, NOONE in their tech
support
>>department knew what the hell I was asking...UGH!!! Id love to see
>>software for the PC made by people who actually USE IT!
>>
>>So who knows???
>>Sorry for the rant!
>>
>>any software I left out?

I have a friend who works for them and they are having alot of probs
with the beast as of yet.I will say though that it will be a monster
when it is cookin.He told me quote un quote,"Probs with overseas
distribs. and General issues.He is a tech support guy.I give hime
shit all the time at how their tech support sucks so bad!!!!He knows
it.hahahaha.Tech support is important for a purchase;sometimes I
wonder about our help here???Not enough folks helping others as far
as tech support goes and I know they are understaffed as well!!!!
Give em all time they will cook.Vegas needs a good kick in the booty
though as far as getting issues straight I agree.But yes it does kick
ass on the fast approach!Period!
Thanx
I am putting soapbox away now.


Victor Harriman wrote:
>>Aaron:
>>
>>Yes, you left the main one out: Nuendo.
>>Now in Version 1.01, with Apogee Dithering included, the software
>>delivers the goods. I would suggest you check a demo at your local
>>dealer. You'll like it. The damn thing is so good, the issue of
>>Steinberg's support is not relevant!!!
>>
>>To all other of your points: amen.
>>
>>
>>
>>Victor.
>>
>>
>>
>>PS: Its just a matter of time before Sonic Foundry changes its
policy
>>"We have been doing very well like this, so if you don't like it,
>>don't use it" to "Take advantage of our $99 StudioBundle that
includes
>>Vegas Video, Soundforge and CD Architect". Competition has a way of
>>forcing arrogant, indifferent companies to do that...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Aaron Carey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Victor Harriman wrote:
>>>>>>Aaron:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree with you. Vegas Video (or audio, or whatever it's
called)
>>>>is
>>>>>>NOT designed to work in a real professional environment. No
matter
>>>>how
>>>>>>you squeeze it, the limitations are too severe to allow for the
>>>>>>software to do what it promises: multitrack recording and
mixing.
>>>>>>Besides the ones you mention, here's the biggest problem for
>>anyone
>>>>>>that has done studio work: no punch in/out on the fly. Bruce
>>>>
>>>>Forget recording on it...every once in a while, I look at the
signal
>>>>path of the studio, and the "flip" switch on the console and
>>>>think...hmmmm, now If I route the outputs of vegas to mix b and
the
>>>>inputs to mix a then record monitoring mix a...so far so
good....now
>>>>to punch, I monitor mix b, then when the punch hits I nail the
>>record
>>>>button, hit the flip switch, then hit the analog/digital source
>>>>select on my AD/DA converters...oh yeah RIGHT
>>>>FORGET IT!!!
>>>>Recording on Vegas???? no thanks...but mixing...ahhh thats
another
>>>>story
>>>>
>>>>>>I think that at the root of all problems is the fact that
>>>>SonicFoundry
>>>>>>knows that its customer base is mostly people doing radio
spots,
>>or
>>>>>>video or semi-professional audio work, and they (the users)
don't
>>>>have
>>>>>>the needs (or the experience to RECOGNIZE their needs!) for
>>>>features
>>>>>>that hardcore (read "pro") users like you take for granted.
>>>>
>>>>I think you are right...in fact I think you are even more right
than
>>>>when foghorn legghorn says" of course you know, this means WAR"
>>>>more right even
>>>>You know I did ONE radio spot with this sucker, bypassing my tape
>>>>machines thinking I could record right in!
>>>>OOOPSSSS!!!!
>>>>again the ugly ugly issues of monitoring came in and reared their
>>>>latent, windows shapen heads...FORGET IT
>>>>it could be that its market you know? who cares what me and you
>>want,
>>>>when 99% of their users will be just fine recording their Hondo
>>strat
>>>>copy/ transistor Crate amp symphony straight from their mackie
mixer
>>>>into vegas?
>>>>
>>>>then again, Brent Averill and Stephen Paul, Rupert Neve and
George
>>>>Augsperger, seem to do just fine selling their services to the
one
>>>>percent that me and you belong to.
>>>>
>>>>Vegas can be our program too, with a little bit of two way
>>>>communication between sonic foundry and that one percent...hell,
I
>>>>think it could even HELP sales of vegas....obsessively ANAL users
>>>>could endorse it without blushing....hey I see a Roger Nichols
add
>>>>coming on!!! Id love to see Vegas catering to the needs of the
sadly
>>>>deceased REP magazine and Studio Sound magazine(even SS is
getting a
>>>>bit lax lately in my humble opinion) and quit concentrating on
the
>>EQ
>>>>readership so much...
>>>>
>>>>AND WHERE THE HELL IS 24 bit SOUND FORGE??????????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Vegas is just NOT "professional" multitracking software; and
since
>>>>>>SonicFoundry doesn't deal with this issue in a responsible
manner,
>>>>the
>>>>>>time may have come to study your options...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I cant stomach dealing with Steinberg....you think sonic foundry
is
>>>>unresponsive? WHOA!!!!!'
>>>>
>>>>Tonite while the power was out during a lightening storm, I
pulled
>>>>out my old Logic Audio Platinum 4.0 manual to read by
>>>>candlelight...what a joke...it would take 8 hours to do in LAP
what
>>I
>>>>can do in one with Vegas...and the whole thing seems to be Logic
>>>>MIDI, with audio thrown in as an afterthought...What the HELL
does
>>>>channel pressure have to do with an audio track???? no thank you
>>>>
>>>>SAW? please no, limit city!
>>>>
>>>>Cool Edit Pro? well, now THERE is a STABLE program, with a lot of
>>>>forward thinking, and right here in arizona to boot...so dealing
>>with
>>>>them should be easy for me right? WRONG....maybe once they get
the
>>>>sense to let you use DX fx in the mixer mode, itll be worth
>>>>considering...I LOVE the way CEP lets you know EVERYTHING that is
>>>>happening to your audio(hint, hint, please note Vegas developers)
>>>>
>>>>Pro-Tools....now I have a Pro tools mix 24 system, and I can say
>>that
>>>>the plugs you can get for pro tools BLOW THE LIVING "ex[pletive"
out
>>>>of ANYTHING you can run on vegas...PERIOD! This may be somewhat
>>>>alleviated with some of the plugs I can get for my Mixtreme
card's
>>>>DSP, but they are not all ported over yet(if ever), but the
>>>>wavemechanics reverb and the TC stuff looks promising enough,
also
>>>>seeing apogee in there makes me very happy...
>>>>but then again, pro tools is VERY slow to me, if I want to do
>>>>something, to change something NOW, I have a much easier time
with
>>>>vegas...
>>>>Also there is NOTHING more frustrating to be almost completely
done
>>>>with a mix, only to need JUST ONE MORE track, and needing to go
out
>>>>and get another 3500 dollar farm card to do it...
>>>>Now that PT is on NT, if they can just get their file
Import/Export
>>>>functions in order, then maybe I could use it, and all the other
>>apps
>>>>that I like for the PC...but if steinberg is unresponsive....oh
man
>>>>digidesign could care less at all!
>>>>
>>>>Samplitude looks promising...seems like Vegas developers took
some
>>>>cues from the SAM24/96 mixer window...c'mon admit it! things
still
>>>>seem quicker and easier in Vegas...and worse: when I called Sek'd
to
>>>>see if SAM24/96 had sample accurate sync, NOONE in their tech
>>support
>>>>department knew what the hell I was asking...UGH!!! Id love to
see
>>>>software for the PC made by people who actually USE IT!
>>>>
>>>>So who knows???
>>>>Sorry for the rant!
>>>>
>>>>any software I left out?

Victor Harriman wrote:
>>Aaron:
>>
>>Yes, you left the main one out: Nuendo.
>>Now in Version 1.01, with Apogee Dithering included, the software
>>delivers the goods. I would suggest you check a demo at your local
>>dealer. You'll like it. The damn thing is so good, the issue of
>>Steinberg's support is not relevant!!!
>>

I meant to include both cubase and nuendo in the steinberg
comment...I was VERY excited aboyut Nuendo when I first heard about
it, hoping it would feature cubase's good points without treating
audio as MIDI, but Steinberg seemed very reluctant to give out any
info about it, and kept trying to be elite, and not have any
dealers...there is still no place I can see this thing near me, yet
they want me to go BUY it to try it out from guitar center who can
order it, but not stock it....I still would like to look into nuendo.
But that kind of treatment from steinberg is pretty lame.


>>PS: Its just a matter of time before Sonic Foundry changes its
policy
>>"We have been doing very well like this, so if you don't like it,
>>don't use it" to "Take advantage of our $99 StudioBundle that
includes
>>Vegas Video, Soundforge and CD Architect". Competition has a way of
>>forcing arrogant, indifferent companies to do that...
>>


I HOPE you are wrong, but I wont bet on it
The power of mass marketing is a lot more powerful than the quest for
perfection anyday!

Nervously yours,
Aaron carey
Pipelineaudio