Audio CD from Video Project in Vegas 4

craftech wrote on 3/15/2005, 12:43 PM
I have done this, but the track markers are never correct and the counter on the CD player counts additional unnecessary seconds at the end or beginning of each song.

Lets say I finish a musical comedy video production and I want to make a CD of it.

1. Edit timeline so that there are lets say 17 smaller video events each representing what I want each audio track to contain some with audio fades, etc. Video stays because it doesn't affect the final results.

2. Insert track markers at the beginning of each event and rename them according to the songs they represent.

3. At this point Vegas will place the end marker for the track wherever a split is located from the video project. If it is at the end it will place it at the end, but if there is another one on the middle it will think the song ends there and place the marker there. Since Vegas has never allowed you to "unsplit" an event you have to move the track marker.

4. It is now impossible to line up the end track marker with the end of the event. (Quantize to frames is off as stated in the manual).

5. Also, because you edited an existing project the space between the events is longer than 2 seconds by varying amounts of space, Vegas will not automatically space them when you set up an audio CD the way I just described, and you are not able to insert a two second space yourself because there are spaces already and Vegas will only add ONTO this space not replace it with a two second silent space. So now you try to drag them together because:

6. The Ripple edit functions are greyed out because they only work when you haven't chopped up the timeline. (All three versions) So you have to drag them together at which point it is impossible to re-line up the track markers with the beginning and end of the track.

Anyone have any suggestions as to how to do this so it works properly.

John

Comments

Spot|DSE wrote on 3/15/2005, 12:48 PM
John, can you send/upload a screenshot so this mentally challenged/visually perceptive guy can help you out? I think I know what you need to do, but it would help if I had a screenshot. Generally, you don't want to use markers for this anyway.
craftech wrote on 3/15/2005, 12:52 PM
They are the audio CD Track markers the manual tells you to insert. I am not sure how to upload a screenshot and I have to go out so I will mess with it later. Thanks for the quick response Doug......as always.

Regards,
John
craftech wrote on 3/15/2005, 3:41 PM
Here is the first screenshot showing the track markers and spaces between that are causing the problem. Two seconds of silence need to be manually inserted between the tracks with no apparent way to do it.

This one shows the track marker separated from the end of the track. I cannot be lined up with it.

John
craftech wrote on 3/16/2005, 6:38 AM
Doug,
When you get a chance?

Thanks,
John
PumiceT wrote on 3/16/2005, 1:30 PM
Why must you have a 2-second space of silence? It's not neccessary on a CD. You can have no space.

The messed up numbers you're seeing on your CD player sound (to me) like count-up seconds, showing how long until the next track begins. Because you have this negative space between the end of one track, and the beginning of the next, you've created space that is neither considered part of the track before it, nor is it part of the track after.

"Silence" between tracks is not a "real" thing, it's either part of your project from the beginning, or it's not. If you wanted to have the audio completely continuous, you could.
craftech wrote on 3/16/2005, 2:22 PM
Why must you have a 2-second space of silence? It's not neccessary on a CD. You can have no space.
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To make a Redbook Audio compliant CD there must be 2 seconds of silence between tracks and burned DAO.

I ended up deleting all the CD track markers. Manually dragging the clips together. Manually inserting two seconds of time between them. Then reinserting the CD Track markers manually getting to line up as close as possible to the beginning and ends of the tracks. Then burned them. Not very professional, but they came out pretty close. I guess that is the best one can expect from the way the software is set up.

Thanks for the input.

John
PumiceT wrote on 3/16/2005, 7:28 PM
Red book calls for 2 seconds of space BEFORE the first track. The rest of the tracks need no silence.

Ever listened to a live concert on CD? How about some DJ mixes? Not many CDs have 2 seconds of actual silence between tracks.

Unless you're trying to adhere to some direction given by a client or something, you're making your life much harder than it needs to be.
craftech wrote on 3/17/2005, 7:44 AM
Just following the directions in the Vegas manual which say to insert 2 seconds of time between tracks.

John