The audio portion of Vegas is MORE than OK. I just visited the audio forum, went back a couple weeks and didn't see the "complaints" you were referring to. Where? Have a specific thread in mind? I don't spend a lot of time there. In fact hardly any.

As far as "missing" features, about the only thing not in Vegas is no support for MIDI, which to my thinking isn't a big deal, since if you're into that, would you really want to do it in what is a video editing application? Probably not. That's why SoFo has other audio applications. And if you want to make your own music on the cheap there are at least a few $50 or so applications out there that aren't bad.

Can't be sure, I suspect one reason a lot of people here don't post there is JoeyD and one or two other characters that engage in one flame after another.

Billy Billy - you went to the Vegas Audio board and didn't see any complaints or bug reports? For a couple of weeks?!?!?! Here are just a few all posted over the last few days:

Just a few under the 4.0C update available thread -

1> "Are there any audio-related bug fixes of note? According to the release notes, it's all video related"

2> "Wow!!! None of those video 'implementation' improvements listed above seem like "bug fixes" to me. Let's do the same on the audio "implementation" side now, or there's going to be a lot of us audio users wondering why we're using this video program that doesn't have correctly implemented audio features."

3> "I have asked in this forum and also in a reply to an SF support email sent to me about V4 dual processor support (earlier versions had it to some degree even though SF likes to play it down) and HAVE BEEN IGNORED!"

From another thread called 4.0C Bug -

"New (only in 4.0c) re-occuring problem found:
if a track is made up of different audio parts then the transition from each part clicks and gaps as it's played - happens each time, regardless of how many tracks, buses, plugins, etc are used."

Another thread -

"I have edited a sound project in Vegas with one video track already cut together. I have about 34 tracks of music / ADR / sfx, etc that i edited together without any problems.
As soon as I rendered the project to a .wav file, some of the sfx became out of sync."


Another thread from the 10th with no response -

"Hello, i think this is an unusual problem. I'm having a two track project with a few effects ,the playback in vegas works fine but in the render (same settings) there are random clicks on both channels. Any ideas?"

Another from the 7th with no SoFo response -

"Ive got a Delta 10/10, and vegas 4.0, and after the tracks have been recorded, and the busses set to the master,everything is cool. no clicking or popping or glitches.But the moment im done, i've saved tthe project,and i set it to render, it renders nothing but a 7 second blank .wav file. Im utterly confused"

From a topic posted on the 6th -

" I saw in Vegas video topics-forum that version 4.0c is coming soon.
Does this update fix the discreet center channel issue in surroundpanner?"

Well - you get the idea. I also see we seem to get more "tech support" here than with the audio part. We make posts about how great it is that SoFo staff actually answer our questions but I see posts over there with no response from anyone. Like I said - it seems like video is the good part of VV while audio is the dark side of the force. LOL! But you know - you could argue that it is called Vegas Video *NOT* Vegas Audio.

I have an audio studio and am fairly new to video. I have been using Cubase to do audio. Just for fun I decided to mix a couple of audio projects in Vegas and was quite pleased with the results. I will check the audio forum out to see what it is about. But so far the audio has worked fine for me.

I just went an looked through the audio forum. Most of the problems reported looked like user error to me. Audio works fine for me. So well that I haven't felt the need to even check out the audio forum.

I've been shopping for a soundcard recently and learned , from a guy who installs and offers home support, that lots of problems were related to VIA chipsets found on AMD compatible mobos... He told me that IF I really want an AMD system, I must go with AMD 760/762 chipsets and stay AWAY from VIA chipsets. Or simply pay a little more and go with Intel (my next move, I swear...).
Maybe VIA have improved their stuff since... but that certainly is NOT the situation in my case (VIA Apollo KT-133 chip+SoundBlaster Live!= the WORST scenario...)

I guess I am a bit confused also. I have been using Sound Forge since day one practically and continue to use it extensively with virtually no problems. I have tried a number of other applications, I am a got to try the new suff kind of guy, yet always come running back to Sound Forge.. Since Vegas 4 came out I converted to it and again cannot imagine going anywhere else at this time. Every time a new Demo version of a editing program comes out I download it (except anything made by Pinnacle) and try it then back to vegas I go. I guess if you look at anything long and hard enough you will find small things that you would have done differently in any software but you have to look at the big picture and if the software does 90 percent of what you want than be happy.

Actually, audio was working fine for me, but now I'm having problems at transition points to new files with 4.0c. Another user is having the same issue with a totally different computer/soundcard setup. Check out the 4.0c BUG thread in the audio forum; is this just us (it happens in video projects also...)?

I completed a video project in 4.0b recently, with no problems during the editing. I upgraded to 4.0c and rendered the video, burned in DVDA 1.0c, and obtained a flawless DVD. When I go back to the file now, there is stuttering at transition points when new audio files are placed adjacently on the same timeline (including video soundtracks). Fortunately, this doesn't show in the final render.

Kevin.

Flimy, Flimy, Flimy... one "sees" what he wants to see I guess. I saw mostly bitching, whining and user error in the audio forum. Its always been like that since that group split off from what was once a single forum.

Some in that forum are in my opinion always acting like little children. They don't ask, they make DEMANDS. A few guys there do nothing but bitch. Much of it is due to some using another SoFo product, now gone and them being "forced" to upgrade to Vegas, they're still pissed. Like I said, that's probably the reason a lot of the 'regulars' in this forum don't post there. You can only take so much noise.

Is Vegas perfect on the audio side? No, but then again, what software is perfect? But for you or others to suggest it is "buggy" as hell, read this post, then this one, is for sure disingenuous and way over the top. SoFo started by introducing audio applications and has earned a well deserved reputation for having some of the best.

Finally, if there is something you or others think is "broken" in Vegas, this forum isn't the place to whine SoFo should "fix" it. That's may rather clear everytime you first come to the forums which very clearly tells you on the first web page to contact tech support and visit the support web page if you have a problem that can't wait. The fact that several of the SoFo guys pop in and promptly answer questions and make some damn good suggestions isn't a requirement, its just a nice bonus that few other peer to peer forums (what this is) enjoy. I think sometimes we're spoiled by how much time SoFo engineers do spend here. :-)

Seconding the comments of wobblyboy....

The perceptions of *some* in the music &/or audio end of things often enough seem somewhat *different* to me... The audio forum for Vegas seems to have a fair collection of those sort of posts, & unlike the video portion, finding any gems of wisdom seems to correspond to one's luck &/or karma being in the saintly vein. Needless to say, with more perseverance then either of the two, & to quote Charlie Brown: "I got a rock".

digressing, I've long been puzzled that quite a few music oriented folk seem, well, the opposite of geeks so-to-speak, and it seems more then enough companies make overpriced products based on their computer-phobic nature. Yet there is supposed to be a direct link between math/sci and music abilities - personal experience seems to bear this out. Guess I just don't understand...

Musicians, (and those that THINK they are) ARE different and ahh... sometime vocal. LOL!

Just having a little fun... was/I am/ well, used to be a 'musician' myself. Well anyways when my hair was inches longer and my waist was MANY inches thinner.

2 comments on audio problems:

I started as an audio guy, learned tons from the Cakewalk forums. Some folks have had tremendous problems over the years getting various sound cards and various drivers working with various Mobos. Popping, clicking, stuttering are classic examples of these problems. My impression has been these are rarely problems with the audio software itself (whether Vegas, SoForge, Cakewalk,etc), but occur "prior" to the software in a sense. Most have reported that once they get solid drivers and watch out for chipset incompatibilities, their audio tool of choice works perfectly. Had some of these problems myself.

Re: VIA chipsets, some reported those problems with older chipsets, but the newer VIA chipsets are considered much more solid. I'm using an Asus A7V 333 (VIA chipset) with an Echo Gina 20 and an SB Live value (for general audio) and everything works great (Vegas 4, Sonar 2, Cool Edit).

I haven't hung out much in the Vegas audio board, 'cause I don't have any problems (and I have so much more to learn on the video side), so most of this I gleaned from the Cakewalk board.

G

"But for you or others to suggest it is "buggy" as hell...."

Hey Now BillyBoy...all I did was ask a question and you said you looked at a few weeks of posts and saw no complaints or problems posted. Now you are saying people only see what they want to see and tell me that I am calling VV "buggy as hell". Um...no, sorry - if you read my post I don't call the software buggy as hell. If you read another post I made in another area I tell you, and everyone who reads it, that I love SoFo's audio stuff and have HIGHLY recomended it. Matter of fact that is what I say in this thread as well. I also did not say anything was outright 'broken' either.

You are an easy target at times because you preach the gospel of VV as if it is perfect and when someone suggests there may be a bug you want to crucify them. I might remind you that if someone likes an Adobe product you tend to tell about how their forums are filled with problems. After looking at the Audio page here I can say if the VV forums were tossed together there would be the same 'type' of issues, but in your own words - "one "sees" what he wants to see I guess." I have stated that no software is ever perfect and always has some sort of bug in it and as you feel what I pointed out about the audio forum is "mostly bitching, whining and user error" I would say to go read other forums and you will probably see the same thing. The HUGE difference here is that the SoFo staff actually takes the time to respond most of the time. I have yet to see anyone Adobe related respond to questions over at the Premiere forum.

Anyhow...moving on.