AudioSync - what's happening?

Caruso wrote on 2/26/2003, 1:52 AM
Here's what I did (running V4):

Recorded a guitarist/vocolist as he sang/played his stuff.

Produced a cd of those takes, let the "artist" monitor (via headphones) playback of the cd on a separate cd player . . . he first sang along with the cd as I recorded . . . then, we made another set of takes as he played the guitar to the cd.

Result:

I put all three sets of takes on the Vegas timeline aiming to sync everything up, then mute the original track (containing both guitar/vocal) and use the other two tracks (one guitar/one vocal) to render the final result.

I found that I could sync the first thirty seconds of the three takes perfectly. Then, the sync of the first track drifted away from the other two.

In this particular case, it didn't matter. Once I synced everything up, I muted track one and used the other two which, strangely enough, remained in sync over a period of up to three minutes or more (we recorded five selections that averaged two to three minutes using this method).

For my own edification, I'd like someone to explain to me what I'm actually seeing here. I'm guessing that temporal reality probably lies within that first track and that the two subsequent tracks, somehow, went off sync at exactly the same rate, so that, while neither will line up perfectly with the original track, both line up perfectly relative to each other.

Is there someone out there who can enlighten me?

Thanks.

Caruso

Comments

Caruso wrote on 2/26/2003, 1:58 AM
BTW, if you're wondering, I use this method so that I can use FX to work on the artist's voice (guitar playing is far better than the singing which needs some FX TLC, LOL).

Just thinking outloud . . . could some anomaly in the cd playback cause what I'm seeing here? Would it have been better to use Vegas to playback track one as I subsequently recorded tracks two and three?

I didn't do this for two reasons: 1) it was physically more convenient to locate a separate cd player near the mics during recording of tracks two and three and 2) I felt I would avoid possible latency issues by burning track one to a cd and playing it independent of the computer.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Caruso
soundguy63 wrote on 2/26/2003, 10:54 AM
Are you working exclusively in 44.1k sampling rate for all activities, or are there conversions or mixing of different sampling rates at any stage of recording and playback? Did the CD player have pitch control or skip buffering activated?
Caruso wrote on 3/2/2003, 6:14 AM
All at 44.1, no mixing or alteration to the WAV files, no pitch control, not sure about that other thing, skip control buffering - what is it and what does it do?

On the separate (voice/guitar) takes, we started the CD containing the full "performance" and let it run through the selection. The CD player was not moved or jarred during the playback so, I'm guessing that this buffering to which you refer either wasn't activated or, if activated, would apply its effects across the entire playback period so that, the relative length of the selection should not be changing.

The good news is that both takes that I wanted to use matched up perfectly. I'm still curious as to why that first take does not perfectly line up throughout its length when synched up with the other two.

Thanks for your reply.

Caruso