AVCHD chopy preview

Frank Knox wrote on 9/28/2009, 12:29 PM
What specs do I need to get smooth detatched preview screen while edditing 1080I AVCHD (SR11 camcorder, 2.2 quad amd2+, 8 gigs ram, 512 video, vista, dual monitors (preview docked on 2nd monitor)) and still have chopy preview screen. Vegas 9. I am willing to make another upgrade to get this to work. Resource manager shows the CPU spike off and on to 100% during playback on the preview screen. What do I need to smooth this out?

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Tomsde wrote on 9/28/2009, 7:03 PM
I have a Canon Vixia and I'm having problems too, apparently this is a problem in Vegas Pro 9. When I play the video it gags at the beginning and then plays fine. The only thing I have found that helps is to use AVCHD Upshift to convert the video to .m2t file format (which is uncompressed). I hope that the next update fixes the problem; I'd rather edit the files natively which I was able to do in Sony Movie Studio Platinum Pro 9.0. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but there it is.
John_Cline wrote on 9/28/2009, 7:54 PM
An .M2T is a media container file and does not contain uncompressed video data, it normally uses the MPEG2 codec which is much easier to decompress than h.264 on which AVCHD is based.
musicvid10 wrote on 9/28/2009, 8:06 PM
Frank Knox,
Your best bets are:
1) Set your Project Properties exactly to the media -- right click on the "Folder" icon and select one of your media files;
2) Set your Preview to "Preview->Auto" and uncheck "Scale Preview to Window" ;
3) If still choppy, you can go to "Preview->Half" and / or uncheck "Simulate Device Aspect."

Bear in mind that the memory requirements of AVCHD are very hard to deal with and still maintain a smooth preview; that is why so many people take either an intermediate or proxy file approach to editing (they are different, see the docs).
Frank Knox wrote on 9/29/2009, 4:15 AM
I have done all of that, still chopy at each file break. file format is m2ts. I don't think I have another file format option ont he SR11 unless I shoot at a lower resolution which would not work for me either.

I am willing to upgrade if that would fix the problem. Watching the resource manager it pegs the processor at 100% at each file break. I am all ready running a quad 2.2 AMD 2+, anyone have any luck with a 3 gig or a rippin video card?
Frank Knox wrote on 9/29/2009, 4:16 AM
Trouble is I am doing sports highlights so each file is only a few seconds long, then another file and another tranistion. Everytime you hit a new file it gets chopy, since each file is only a few seconds, it's constatnt chop.
musicvid10 wrote on 9/29/2009, 6:07 AM
Three things you can try:
1) Pre-render the transitions. Otherwise, the preview frame rate will always drop at transitions or effects, since they must be rendered.

2) Probably better, render an intermediate file and work on that. Cineform is the preferred format, but has had a few issues on Vegas 9. Search the forums.

3) Render a proxy file. A proxy file is a surrogate that you use to edit your project, and then replace with the original footage. Directions are in Vegas Help, and again in the forums.

4) Adding more memory or a new video card will not improve preview performance to any noticeable degree. It's all CPU.
Frank Knox wrote on 9/29/2009, 8:55 AM
That appeared to be the issue, the CPU. I appreciate your help. Does anyone know if upping the processor will do the trick? I really can't afford a few hundred dollar upgrade that doesn't do what I need.
For what I am doing I can't see any of the other options working. I start with 250 shots from a weekend tournament that have to be cut into highlights for individual players before I even get to Vegas. It is all ready painstaking.
Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 9/29/2009, 9:48 AM
My soon 2 year old QX9650 clocked at 3,8GHz screams thru native AVCDH on the timeline. No need to prerender or batch convert to something else.

I can preview best/full at full 25fps (PAL). I can even watch realtime crossfades of AVCHD native files on the timeline. It's all CPU (and somewhat RAM speed). However, VP9.0b has a (recognized) bug that prevents smooth preview of the timeline at the start of each new clip. Therefore I do all my AVCHD editing in VP8.0c, while waiting for 9.0c...

Christian

WIN10 Pro 64-bit | Version 1903 | OS build 18362.535 | Studio 16.1.2 | Vegas Pro 17 b387
CPU i9-7940C 14-core @4.4GHz | 64GB DDR4@XMP3600 | ASUS X299M1
GPU 2 x GTX1080Ti (2x11G GBDDR) | 442.19 nVidia driver | Intensity Pro 4K (BlackMagic)
4x Spyder calibrated monitors (1x4K, 1xUHD, 2xHD)
SSD 500GB system | 2x1TB HD | Internal 4x1TB HD's @RAID10 | Raid1 HDD array via 1Gb ethernet
Steinberg UR2 USB audio Interface (24bit/192kHz)
ShuttlePro2 controller

Frank Knox wrote on 9/29/2009, 10:41 AM
Interesting. Thanks Christian, I did not know that about the bug. Imagine my frustration when all my clips are only a few seconds long. Thanks!
Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 9/29/2009, 11:02 AM
Yeah, I was banging my head with this thing for a while. It's good to contact SCS support with issues that can be easily repeated. THey normally answer quite fast...
It would bealso a good idea to collect somewhere all the known issues for general sharing. To prevent many people from unnecessary head-banging...

Christian

WIN10 Pro 64-bit | Version 1903 | OS build 18362.535 | Studio 16.1.2 | Vegas Pro 17 b387
CPU i9-7940C 14-core @4.4GHz | 64GB DDR4@XMP3600 | ASUS X299M1
GPU 2 x GTX1080Ti (2x11G GBDDR) | 442.19 nVidia driver | Intensity Pro 4K (BlackMagic)
4x Spyder calibrated monitors (1x4K, 1xUHD, 2xHD)
SSD 500GB system | 2x1TB HD | Internal 4x1TB HD's @RAID10 | Raid1 HDD array via 1Gb ethernet
Steinberg UR2 USB audio Interface (24bit/192kHz)
ShuttlePro2 controller

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 9/29/2009, 11:29 AM
[/i]Hi,

After having this confirmed by SCS I really feel more confident, I can rest assured that there is a fix coming, and I know there's nothing I can do to try to work around it... Such honesty is highly appreciated, but it is understandable that some parties might use such data wrong...

Christian

WIN10 Pro 64-bit | Version 1903 | OS build 18362.535 | Studio 16.1.2 | Vegas Pro 17 b387
CPU i9-7940C 14-core @4.4GHz | 64GB DDR4@XMP3600 | ASUS X299M1
GPU 2 x GTX1080Ti (2x11G GBDDR) | 442.19 nVidia driver | Intensity Pro 4K (BlackMagic)
4x Spyder calibrated monitors (1x4K, 1xUHD, 2xHD)
SSD 500GB system | 2x1TB HD | Internal 4x1TB HD's @RAID10 | Raid1 HDD array via 1Gb ethernet
Steinberg UR2 USB audio Interface (24bit/192kHz)
ShuttlePro2 controller