Bacground removal without using blue screen... possible?

edge30 wrote on 8/6/2004, 9:18 PM
Hello,
I need to remove the backgroun of a film.
I shot an actor dancing with a fixed camera, the background is a common landscape...
then I took just the landscape wihtout the actor.
Is there a way to, using those two films, remove the bacground and keep only que actor moving?
I tried several "operations" with both films but couldn't do it yet...
Any ideas?
Thanks
e.

Comments

epirb wrote on 8/6/2004, 9:41 PM
not without very intensive bezier masking.(each frame! )V5 that is.
PeterWright wrote on 8/7/2004, 1:25 AM
I'd love to know about this too for an upcoming project - I may be way off beam, but I've heard the concepts of "Difference" and Difference squared" used in this sort of context.

I'll do some reading when I have time, but maybe someone who knows more can add something ....
epirb wrote on 8/7/2004, 4:56 AM
Yeah Peter,
I saw a refence to the difference squared in the post on depth of field.
I think it was Sony Dennis that had a post, but I could not get to the link he posted. Hopefully someone will give more info.
RafalK wrote on 8/7/2004, 6:46 AM
Just an idea here, possibly as intensive as bezier masks but hopefully a bit faster. Export the clip as a frame sequence, erase the background in each image individually and reimport the images as a sequence. I am only recommending this way because it seems as time consuming as the bezier masking will be.
I think the difference squared that some of you guys mentioned is something that a camera records. This might be sci-fi, but I heard that there is technology where in addition to the usual the information about the distance between objects in a frame is also recorded.
bStro wrote on 8/7/2004, 7:17 AM
Peter is referring to Vegas' Difference Squared compositing mode.

Rob
Chanimal wrote on 8/7/2004, 7:41 AM
Wouldn't it be easier to just re-shoot the dancing? Of all things, dancing would be hard to mask (versus a person sitting relatively still in front of a camera).

You may also try "Ultra" from Seirous Magic. They use a different technology and seem to handle diverse backgrounds (but not sure if they can handle "that" diverse).

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PunkDrummer wrote on 8/7/2004, 9:54 AM
i'd just use bezeir masking...it may take a while but it's probably the simplest way to do something like that, i did it with a skateboarder going down a rail and it turned out way good. Well later

-Will
johnmeyer wrote on 8/7/2004, 11:11 AM
I think this "demo" might give you some ideas:

Cat Demo
vicmilt wrote on 8/7/2004, 3:29 PM
Hey Edge...
if you DO use this (fabulous) difference technique would you let us see the results?
The cat demo is awesome (and very inspiring).
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Blues_Jam wrote on 8/7/2004, 10:46 PM
OK... NOW I have seen the work of a true MASTER !!!
It's voodoo, VOODOO I tell you ! ;)

Blues