yup, thats him, they jjust asked for a barron efect on some zoom,s and tracking shots

Is "ambiguity" part of the effect? If so, you are well on track. - G

Its my policy to say " yes " to just about anything, than rack my brain making whatever it was they wanted to happen actually happen. By and large I figure if someone else can do it, I probably can too. =P

- Ray

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What is an example of a Barron Effect?

I wish i had an example, then i wouldnt have to ask. The conversation went like this

"Do you know steve baron?"
"Yeah, the coneheads guy".
"could you do the effect that he uses on zooms and tracking shots?"
"Sure No Problem!"

But i have no clue what he is talking about.

So, rent a few Steve Barron movies and see what you can see that might be similar.
Obviously, we all know who Barron is, but to give a technique a name like that implies that the technique exists. I've searched for 15 mins on the web and in books, and can't find anything attributed to him. It might be the focus pull that he uses a lot where the main character zooms in while the background zooms out?

Roy Schnieder in Jaws 1 . . he sees the shark and the backgound etc etc . . combo of zoom out on a dolley tracking back? Or was it the other way around? . . Anyways - Roy on Shark patrol - yeah?

Isn't this caller vertigo? You zoom in as you dolly out? This way the main subject remains in tact but the bacground perspective/width changes? I think the Hithcock movies used this quite a bit.

They did. Barron uses this effect a lot. I've always heard it referred to as a dollied zoom, but I'm sure there are dozens of names.

Whats the barronize script on Vasst?

Actually, Hitchcock was the first to use it in Vertigo. It was when Jimmy Stewart looked up the bell tower stair case. He didn't use it again after that.

Now, it's been done to death.

Whats the barronize script on Vasst?

If the shot is as Rafal & DSE describe, I don't think it's something that you can do digitally. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think so.
What happens is that the camera is mounted on a dolly. As the dolly is pushed in the camera is zoomed out at the exact same rate, keeping the shot framed the same way throughout. Tthe perspective change is very different than a normal zoom in. Trust me when I say that this is a hell of lot harder to do than it sounds :-) Dolly grips, focus pullers, etc. really earn their keep doing this kind of shot.

Mike

I found my answer, The effect i am looking for is the barronizer script found on vasst. All they were looking for was the speeded up jump cuts that can be seen in his movies. Its nice to learn of a new script.

I found this. It doesn't look perfect, but should give those of you who are still wondering what this effect is a rough idea. Pay attention to what happenes to the background. It seems like it goes from zoom to wide angle, while the character remains pretty much in the same position.
http://home.comcast.net/~mystarproductions/dolly_zoom.wmv

That effect is often used during a moment of disorientation or confusion.

It is accomplished by a simultaneous zoom and dolly move. That is the camera pulls back away from the talent at a rate that keeps up with a zooming in on the talent. Net affect, the actor does not seem to change but the angle of the background alters radically. The example referred to above was a bit more jittery than you might want but even the jitterey one gives a sense of waves of disorientation.

Time your zoom, and determine the distance required to travel to have the actor represented in the same frame size at max and min zoom. Then have the camera back away while speed zooming so that the zooming and camera travel are synchronized. When motorized and programmed it can be very smooth.

That's what the cannon lenses have the pre programmed spots for on their lenses so that all you have to do is, is do the movement in the set time to match the automated move. - Am I making sense?

Dave