best render settings for larger DVDs in Vegas

howardnwhite wrote on 3/11/2012, 12:45 PM
Hello. Firstly, I realise this is a Sony Vegas forum. I am only discussing Adobe Premiere Pro to explain what I do at present. I want to move over to Vegas, and need to check things first. I looked at the Vegas rendering options for MPEG2, and there was only three bitrate settings to choose from. Also, I could not find an estimated file size that the rendered file was likely to be. With Premiere, I select MPEG2 cos it goes straight onto Sony DVD Architect without further render/compression (as long as file is not too large). Premiere has a bitrate slider, and also shows an estimate of file size. So I can find the bitrate that will give about 4GB, giving best quality for a standard DVD and enough left for menus, etc. I film stage plays for amateur groups, so these tend to be between one and a half and two and a half hours long. So I like to use this whole 4GB to get the best quality, especially with movement. Whilst Vegas appear to offer all the choices like MPEG2, it did not seem to have so much flexibility, with just three set rates to choose from. And no idea of how big the file would be. Any ideas? Or do I have to render to full DV (presumably lossless in quality) and then let DVD Architect do the compression. That is okay, but means two renders therefore more time. Basically I want the best DVD quality. I filto avoid compression until I actually make the DVD. Sorry I am not that tek-savvy! I have been doing my video work for five years, but only really know about the bits I use, if that makes sense. I would love some advice here. The reason I need to go over to Vegas is cos sooner or later I will need to start doing HiDef. I cannot afford to buy Adobe, so it is Vegas or nothing! Best thing for you to do is imagine you are a rep for Sony software, and you trying to convince this forty-three year old that Vegas is going to be great for him, even if he is not as technical as some of the younger people out there!! I am emphatic on smooth motion, hating things like rolling credits that dont move smoothly (even if I do see this on mainstream telly sometimes!). I have just had some very helpful advice from the audio section, so now it is over to you. Thanks very much

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Chienworks wrote on 3/11/2012, 1:07 PM
Vegas Pro has the ability to set any arbitrary bitrate. Most folks will use a bitrate calculator to determine the appropriate bitrate. Personaly, i just divide 600 by the length in minutes to get a Mbps value and that comes close enough.

The studio versions (which i think is what you are looking at) are much more limited. I believe the intention is that In Vegas Studio you will render to some less compressed format such as DV, then let DVD Architect Studio do the MPEG2 compression, automatically choosing a bitrate to fit the disc.
howardnwhite wrote on 3/11/2012, 1:19 PM
Sure. I was looking at Pro 10. In the MPEG2 template, it was only offering three bitrates for me to choose from. Whilst the Premiere had a slider. I can render to DV if there is no loss and let Architect do the rest. The reason I was doing it the other way in Premiere was because the output DV was not as good as I thought. The blank screens (like background for scrolling credits) was rather flickery, and not just s till black. This was from the outpu from Premiere, so I blame Adobe and not DVD architect, but I found outputting to MPEG2 better for the blacks. And it went on Archittect without the need for rendering, just a few minutes of preparing before the first burn..
dxdy wrote on 3/11/2012, 1:32 PM
You can type in any bitrate you want. Just put your cursor in the box with the default bitrate, and overtype it.
howardnwhite wrote on 3/11/2012, 1:41 PM
Yes you are correct! I have never felt so stupid in my life!!! I have just realised that you have to put the comma and two zeros after it!!! Before I was just writing a multiple of a thousand, and it was going back to default. So sorry for wasting your time.
riredale wrote on 3/11/2012, 3:31 PM
Not wasting anyone's time.

Vegas is a cool and very sophisticated program, with lots of dials that can be adjusted. It wasn't obvious to me at first, either.
craftech wrote on 3/11/2012, 4:38 PM
And that's why we all love this user group.

John